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jorje Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68)	posted July 28, 2000 01:54 AM what do you guys think about a sus only cycle? as far as making good gains and keeping most of them. i was thinking 500mg a week. if you think this is a bad idea let me know what to add. i was thinking throwing in some ref-b. IP: Logged
scott825 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 618)	posted July 28, 2000 01:59 AM JUST FINISHING UP A SUST ONLY CYCLE,HAVE MADE GOOD GAINS.BE SURE TO THROW IN SOME CLOMID THE LAST 2 WEEKS OF THE CYCLE & 2 WEEKS POST CYCLE.ALSO MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME NOLVADEX AROUND JUST TO BE SAFE. ------------------ ----------------------- Weights before dates Bros before Hos IP: Logged
jorje Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68)	posted July 28, 2000 02:04 AM hey bro, what were your dosages? IP: Logged
scott825 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 618)	posted July 28, 2000 02:24 AM WEEKS 1-250MG 2-250MG 3-500MG 4-500MG 5-750MG 6-500MG 7-250MG-CLOMID 50MG EOD 8-250MG-CLOMID 50MG EOD 9-250MG-CLOMID 50MG EOD 10-250MG-CLOMID 50MG EOD 11-CLOMID 50MG EOD 12-CLOMID 50MG EOD IM IN WEEK 10 RIGHT NOW,THAT IS HOW I'LL BE FINISHING IT UP. I'VE GAINED 17 LBS & MY STRENGTH HAS INCREASED GREATLY ------------------ ----------------------- Weights before dates Bros before Hos IP: Logged
2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3467)	posted July 28, 2000 02:28 AM If this is your first cycle, then you should use 250 for 8 weeks. You will see some nice gains. IP: Logged
cowbell Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 531)	posted July 29, 2000 10:56 PM I agree completly with 2thick, first cycle do 250mg a week for 8 weeks and you will make some good gains, i know cause that was the first cycle I did and gained 18 pounds from it.... I love the shit, O and get some clomid!!! IP: Logged
Chris Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 103)	posted July 29, 2000 11:09 PM How much in gains did you guys keep months after the Sust. only cycle? I've always been under the impression you need Deca. to keep the gains. Or will you keep all the Sus250 gains the first few cycles with clomid??? I'm asking cause I'm still learning, I'm a newbie with only one cycle in. IP: Logged
Mojo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 469)	posted July 30, 2000 01:44 AM I disagree with 2thick. I would go With this. 750,500,500,500,500,500,250,250 Hit your receptors hard on your first cycle. It will be your best one. Make sure you work hard get plenty of rest and drink water. Don't give yourself a chance to get thirsty. keep a bottle of water in your hand all the time. Have a bottle of a high carb juice after you work out, and eat a high quality protein meal, or drink a protein shake A.S.A.P. Protein at this point will help your muscle growth beyond your wildest dream. Your diet will play a big role in how well you do with this cycle. Ref-B wouldn't be a bad idea if you have the cash, but if this is your first cycle-3rd cycle Sus may be all you need. Give it a try. The point i'm trying to make is that if you haven't used A.S. before and have the right diet. Why stack? Some may disagree with me. I don't care. This is my body and how it reacts. I don't know what yours will do. But if you stack on your first few cycles. Tell me which paticular one worked the best for you? How much did you lose? which one caused the most water retention? Any sides? Which one caused it? And by the way. I use Clomid. You should too. IP: Logged
TheBoxer Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16)	posted July 30, 2000 02:58 AM I don't agree with some of this info. There is no need to taper sustenon, it is self tapering. Also the pyramid cycles suck. I would take 750-500-500-500-500-500-500-500. You should go all out on your first cycle, it will be your best. Throw in the ref-b, or some d-bol tabs to start getting gains earlier, it takes the sus. a few weeks to kick in. As for deca helping to keep gains, it's not deca it's clomid. Take 50mg every other day during your cycle to work as an ant-estrogen. Then take 50mg every day the first week after your cycle. Then 100mg every day the second week. That's all get ready to grow. IP: Logged
2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3467)	posted July 30, 2000 03:01 AM Your body adapts to the dosages you use. Therefore if you "hit your receptors hard" during your first cycle, then you will need to use high dosages from then on. That does not make sense financially or gain-wise. You will just be stressing your body and wallet. ------------------ Check out my Injection and Syringe Info Page: http://2thick.elitefitness.com IP: Logged
Mojo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 469)	posted July 30, 2000 03:03 AM I agree Bro but an average of 500 is not that high. In addition to that this is a sus only cycle. 250 a week? It's not enough in my opinion. But then you know the old saying. Opinions are like assholes, everybodys got one. Not saying that your an asshole, just that you have one. [This message has been edited by Mojo (edited July 30, 2000).] IP: Logged
2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3467)	posted July 30, 2000 03:09 AM Okay, I would like to clear up a common misconception about test esters. Since Sust has a blend of 4 esters, 500mg of Sust is as potent as 1000mg of Test Enanthate. Let me explain. Enanthate releases over a 2-3 week period. Sustenon continually releases test because of the timing of the esters. That means you will not need as much at one time to get the same results. This is the same reason hardcore juicers only use 300-400mg of prop per week when they would use 1000mg of enanthate if they had to switch esters (but wanted the same result). ------------------ Check out my Injection and Syringe Info Page: http://2thick.elitefitness.com IP: Logged
Fender Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 97)	posted July 30, 2000 03:26 AM That does make sense. Maybe we have been doing it wrong. I know I am going to use less Sust than I was planning. {{{Fender}}} IP: Logged
Mojo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 469)	posted July 30, 2000 03:29 AM I don't understand your math. Yes the esters are different but test is test is test! 30mg test propionate 60mg test phenylpropionate 60mg test isocaproate 100mg test decanoate It all equals 250 mg of test.Hence the name Sus-250 x2 would be 500 mgs of test not 1000. And like you say, they are released at different times. That's why I would take more than 250 mgs a week for body building purposes. IP: Logged
2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3467)	posted July 30, 2000 03:39 AM Okay, I will make it simple. I am talking about the active test in your system. 1000mg spread over 2-3 weeks (i.e. enanthate) is not the same as 1000mg spread over a few days (i.e. Propionate). That is why you use less Prop per week. It is almost immediately active in your system. Sust has esters with immediate release rates and ones that are longer like enathate. Therefore, you have more active in your system with less of a dosage. Think about it. I cannot explain further unless you have knowledge of organic chemistry and/or bio-chem. ------------------ Check out my Injection and Syringe Info Page: http://2thick.elitefitness.com IP: Logged
Mojo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 469)	posted July 30, 2000 04:00 AM Good night Bro! I'll debate with you in the morning, It's late and I have to get my rest. But think about what you are saying. It's almost like you're saying that my body will use none of the test the first week, therefore I will have 1000 released all at the same time the second week? I want to get the max out of my propionate so I would inject 500 every 5 days. Some inject more than that every three. This will keep my test levels where I want them throughout my cycle. Hypotheticaly speaking of coarse. I have seen some hard core users that went up to 1500-2000 mgs of sus a week. Not me but it's happened.For most users on this board I wouldn't recomend anything near that high. But 500 mgs a week is not high at all. It's a baby dose. Maybe when some of the other Bro's get up in the morning we can have a better disscusion.I don't have a degree in chemistry, nor do I have one in Bio-Chem. So I guess you can't explain it to me further. I guess i'll just be one of those dumb ass juicers that grows like a weed. I have enjoyed our conversation, and I also respect your opinion, but at the same time, i'm going to keep mine. Goodnight all. IP: Logged
ghans Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 142)	posted July 30, 2000 04:44 AM I get what you are saying 2Thick. You want to hit the receptors but leave some openess for future cycles. Makes sense to me. Every bulking cycle will go up if you use what you need and go up from there. ghans IP: Logged
Mojo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 469)	posted July 30, 2000 12:01 PM Bump for any other opinions IP: Logged
Skinnerboy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 51)	posted July 30, 2000 01:18 PM I like to learn stuff like this about gear. it helps me to make my cycles better. Thanks 2thick and mojo IP: Logged
jorje Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68)	posted July 31, 2000 02:06 AM alright thanks for the info on this guys. from what i am reading most believe this will be a good cycle of sust only. i am thinking i will go for 8 weeks but at 250 or 500? IP: Logged

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