posted July 27, 2000 05:48 PM         

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I've read here and there about using orals after a cycle to help maintain gains. These orals would be taken only in the early morning. (Maybe 15mg of dianabol or some other quickly metabolizing oral.) Apparently the body's normal T cycle peaks in the early hours and thus it would be insensitive to this extra little boost in the morning. The goal is to achieve that extra little "help" in maintaining gains while not affecting the recuperation of your normal hormonal axis. I know this might offend some people who mean to say they are COMPLETELY off any substance post cycle and that they would probably term this nothing more than a taper or elongation of the actual cycle time. However, the difference is that this minimal morning only use of orals should not affect the normalization of your hormone axis. In short, this steroid use becomes a part of your "gains-keeper" formula (a potent one at that!) and not the actual cycle itself. I haven't read anyone here discussing this and I was wondering if anyone here has utilized this method in helping them keep their gains. Please let me know what your experience was like.

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posted July 27, 2000 10:13 PM         

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I want to bump this back up. Will anyone give me an opinion on this?

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posted July 27, 2000 10:19 PM            

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Personally, I haven't tried it, but I don't think that it would work.

You can't use 15mg of d-bol a day and not expect your natural test not to be suppressed.

This method could possibly work with Anavar (oxandrolone), Primo tabs, winny tabs, and andriol since they do not suppress natural test very much.

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posted July 27, 2000 10:30 PM         

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I know, I know... I'm inclined to use something like primo tabs or winny tabs before the dianabol. It's just that I've read a couple articles by Bill Roberts where he goes as high as 20mg of dianabol seperated into two doses in the early morning with the expectation that it will not hinder endogenous testosterone prodction!!! I too think this is kind of harsh, but I've got a lot of respect for the stuff he writes and just maybe there really is a very good window of opportunity in the mornings. Honestly, I was just hoping to get a strong consensus in agreement seeing as dianabol would be so much more cost effective than the other orals. Thanks for the response... it is much appreciated!

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posted July 27, 2000 11:15 PM         

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This sounds interesting.... but I still thing suppression will take place.... bump

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posted July 28, 2000 01:49 AM         

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I'm going to bump this up one last time to see if anyone else is willing to give their opinion. If not then I'll just let this thread die the quick death it seemingly deserves...

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posted July 28, 2000 04:27 AM            

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proviron is a good oral to bridge between cycles...100mg every day
you won't gain much of it, but you'll keep more of the gains of your last cycle

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posted July 28, 2000 09:33 AM            

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20mg anavar a day to bridge the cycles...

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posted July 28, 2000 02:49 PM         

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Bill Roberts is the one who stated this idea, and being a respected scientist, I would have to believe him. He does advocate DBol or some other fast acting oral early in the day.

A possible alternative would be an injectable prohormone, 4-Adiol or 19-nordiol. Since they are not esterified, they would be metabolized rapidly, but still be anabolic. The only drawback would be daily injections.

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