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vedder Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted July 26, 2000 03:46 PM
  
I have been training as a pure bodybuilder for 3 years, hard as hell. Never touched the gear. And trust me, pure bodybuilding has its results. I have changed my physique tremendously, in 3 years. As hard as I train and as good as I diet/supplement, I know i can gain 10lbs in the next 2 years without the stuff. I feel I have done the work, and now want the benefits of a quality anabolic. My goal is to gain 25 lbs of lean muscle mass in the next 2 years. I have done extensive research on Deca Durobolin and Equipoise and feel these are tow viable options for me. Why is deca is better than eq? Are the anablolic effects greater with deca? I am sticking to anablolics strictly. No androgens. Toxicity is of great concern, as well as androgenic side effects.
I already know about my diet/supplementing, I would consider myself very experienced at this. I do need some info on my first cycle(s) though. In 3 years I have gained 30-35 pounds of lean mass, but my gains are coming harder and slower. It's time for some "real supplementation". Do you think i will see good size/strength gains after one cycle? How many cycles do you feel i will need in a 2 year span to reach my goal? I don't want to stack with either, but to reach my goal, will i need to? Also, i do not care about "Deca Dick". I can live with noodle instead of stacking androgens. Experienced people please resond. Thanks, and keep pumpin' IP: Logged |
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jdismukes Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 346) |
posted July 26, 2000 04:06 PM
Bro, I hear ya, gains can defently be made without gear at all. But here is a safe cycle that will put you into a whole new level of bodybuilding. Go with Deca/Test you can throw in some d-bol if you want to bulk up which I think I read that you want to gain some weight so here you go: Weeks 1-3 Deca 500mg/test 500mg/d-bol 40mg week 4 Deca 500mg/ test 500mg/ d-bol 35mg week 5 Deca 500mg/test 500mg/ d-bol 30mg week 6-7 deca 400mg/test 400mg week 8 deca 300mg/ test 300mg Use clomid EOD thru out the cycle if you feel the need for it. Use clomid for 2 weeks ed after. EOD=every other day ed=every day This will put about 20 pounds of muscle on the average first time user. IP: Logged |
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THE APE Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 137) |
posted July 26, 2000 04:10 PM
VEDDER-YOU COULD PROBABLY REACH THE RESULTS YOURE LOOKING FOR ON DECA BUT IT WILL TAKE YOU SEVERAL CYCLES TO DO THIS.JUST DONT GO BELOW 400MGS WEEKLY.ME PERSONALLY,I WOULD TAKE THE ANDROGENS ON 1 POTENT CYCLE OF SUST(AS THEYRE NOT ALL THAT BAD WITH AN ANTI -ESTROGEN)TO ACHIEVE THE SAME RESULTS AS A FEW CYCLES OF DECA.JUST MY OPINION THOUGH.GOOD LUCK ON WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO DO BRO. IP: Logged |
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big_guy1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1230) |
posted July 26, 2000 04:10 PM
I would say testo for the first cycle(sus/omna), you can throw in either the deca or eq with it...the cycle jdismukes suggested looks pretty good, but stacking might more then 2 as the first cycle is overkill to me, you really don't need to stack the first cycle(maybe even the first two)..I suggest testo.... big-guy IP: Logged |
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Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 179) |
posted July 26, 2000 04:30 PM
Do the cycle that jdismukes recommended. That is a very good cycle to start out with and you could probably put on 20 lbs easy. Just get some nolvadex and clomid to go with it and you're good to go. IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 647) |
posted July 26, 2000 04:59 PM
Stay away from Dbol if you are REALLY worried about toxicity. I personally, choose to stay away from oral steroids, but am considering using some Winstrol for a cutting cycle. Don't be afraid of a little testosterone. The horror stories about shrunken balls, acne, etc. are when someone is doing something wrong and/or stupid. Get Clomid to guard against gyno and to keep your nuts from shrinking. Take a shower every day, and go tanning every few days, and the acne shouldn't be a problem. You might get a pimple here and there, but not covered with them like the shit you see in magazines. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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vedder Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted July 26, 2000 07:07 PM
First off: I said that I wanted 25 lean pounds in TWO YEARS. Are the stacks that you are recommendeding gonna put 20 pounds on me in 8 weeks? I want to grow steadily and build natural, quality muscle inbetween well spaced-out cycles. I am paranoid about androgenics. Do you think more cycles of deca in a 2 year span are more harmful to the body than fewer cycles of deca while some androgenics like sus? I have no asperations of becoming the next Mr. Olympia. I do want to be fucking huge though. I don't think I need harsh androgens to put on 25 pounds in 2 years do I? I have a goal set that my steroid usage will not exceed 2 years. I refuse. I am 6'2'' tall, 220 pounds and 6-8% bodyfat. I've made great gains as a naturalist by pumping my ass off and supplementing over 250 grams of protien per day. I guess my question is, considering my goals, and my health conciousness, what anabolics/androgenics (if need be) will help me in my 2-year goal? And how sustainable will those gains be? Do I need to taper? What gear is needed, how many cycles per year? Thanks again for the response.
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 647) |
posted July 26, 2000 07:21 PM
Twenty pounds in eight weeks is true, but you may lose some. There's no reason why any modest Sust/Deca/Clomid cycle would hurt you. Why do five or six cycles over two years, when you can get what you want in a year. Just do an eight or ten week cycle of: 500mg Sust/200-400mg (tapered)Deca per week with clomid eod and every day for three weeks afterwards. Drink a lot of water and take supplements to help support your kidneys/liver to be safe. Do that cycle twice and see what happens. Beleive me, you will be surprised how full of shit the media is about all the negative effects of anabolic steroids. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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vedder Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted July 26, 2000 07:40 PM
After cycling what you say (ajc1997) what kind of weight do you think I will forever retain? Also, how far apart would i have to space those two cycles that you recommended? I sent you an email with the same info. just disregard. Thanks bro. And others please comment. As much info as i can possibly get would be helpful.
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 647) |
posted July 26, 2000 07:44 PM
Just remember all the rules of diet, excercise, and rest ALWAYS apply (before, during, and after a cycle). You should retain at least 75% of gains (with help from clomid). I'd space them out at least however many weeks you are on maybe even a little more. So ten weeks on, ten weeks (or more) off, and then ten weeks on again. Your body should be fully recovered from everything by then. I don't claim to know it all, but I'm very health conscious and this is what I use. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1200) |
posted July 26, 2000 07:59 PM
25 lbs in 2 years is attainable without juice. if you want to go that slowly with anabolics, i think you would waste your money. get the most out of the anabolic properties. go for broke. why avoid androgens? the sides? if done responsibly you will barely notice any. since you are a newcomer to gear, it will take only a small amount to stimulate your body to growing again. deca and eq are good choices, with some test (500-750mg) and you will see surprising results. diet, training and rest are still the key though. IP: Logged |
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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1378) |
posted July 26, 2000 09:18 PM
Vedder, (cool name, big P. Jam fan myself!) I hear your cry for help Bro, and found myself in the same situation many years ago, I did the eq only route. Of course, I didn't know shit, and didn't see the results I really wanted. If you are set on just deca, or eq...you will go that route...we all started there. The reason being, everything written about deca states it's the safest roid to be used....in most cases...true! Here's my take on the future....cycle of deca....8 to 12lbs...lose a bit....happy, but not everything you thought it would be....then research a little more....maybe just one short cycle of test(sus 250 maybe?)....gain 15lbs. in 6 weeks....It is then you will feel the hunger we all feel Bro. Dbol is a great way to start a cycle, whether it be deca or test....low dosages will do little to your body aside from a little water retention...if your hip on supplements....remember milk thistle, and evening primrose oil Bro!! At this point, I think your leaning heavily toward deca...but unsure right now...hopefully this thread will remain up for a bit, and you will recieve mant thought out answers.....my advice....test at low dosages along with the deca, or eq....great gains...retain alot....deca dick sucks Bro...don't crow to soon....heh heh heh....those noodles suck after about 2 month's...BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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300 kleen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2531) |
posted July 26, 2000 09:49 PM
For a first cycle of Deca only you could gain up to 30lbs. There are a handful of people at StacksandWeights that have done this cycle with great results: Wk1....200 With a high protein diet and proper training you will get good results. The dosages are in divided into 2 injections per week. I'm a firm believer that less is better when you are starting off. Start slowly and work your way up in this game. My $0.02
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adamsandlr Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 130) |
posted July 26, 2000 09:53 PM
I'd go with Deca and Primobolan Depot at a low dose if you want to put it on very slow. Do 200mg a week deca and 200mg primo and you might put on 5 or 6 lbs. You want slow steady gains this will do it IP: Logged |
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Swollen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted July 26, 2000 09:54 PM
If quality muscle is what you want then here is the stack for you; Week 1)Deca/200mg,Primo/300mg This is at least worth about 10-15 quality pounds that will last. Clomid isn't NEEDED for this cycle. But if you want to take precautions then go for it. Better safe then sorry, right. And one last note; you inject these in an ass cheeck, shoulder or quad! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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rocko Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 191) |
posted July 26, 2000 10:14 PM
I would suggest 8-10 amps of sus, 1 pin a week. Thats what I did for my first cycle and was very happy with the results, very mild, little if no side effects and no need to taper, so it's a good beginning. IP: Logged |
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FLEXMEX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 195) |
posted July 27, 2000 12:50 AM
VEDDER...GO WITH STRAIT DECA IF YOU WANTR TO USE ONLY ONE DRUG AND MAKE QUALITY GAINS.I USED DECA BY ITSELF FOR MY VERY FIRST CYCLE OVER 2.5 YEARS AGO.HERES HOW IT WENT... 1.200MG
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sour jerk Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 218) |
posted July 27, 2000 01:00 AM
FLEXMEX ARE U FUCKIN JOKING ...NO WAY YOU GAINED 19LB OF LBM IN 10 WEEKS WITH THAT BITCH CYCLE...DID YOU DO THAT CYCLE IN YOUR FIRST MONTH OF BB? OR MAYBE THAT WAS TEST 1250MG YOU WERE TAKING DAMN IF YOU PUT ON THAT MUCH THAT FAST FROM DECA IN 10 WEEKS.. IM SCARED TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO YOU AFTER TEST.. YOU GENETIC FREAK YOU.. SS OO UU RR JJ EE RR KK IP: Logged |
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vedder Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted July 27, 2000 01:17 PM
Thanks guys. I do want to stress that I have NEVER used anything illegal, therefore I do think I will see more than quality gains in whatever I do decide. Of all the stacks and cycles that you guys have replied with, I see two basic avenues to take: 1. Stacks of anabolics: (deca or eq with primo) 2. Stacks of less anabolics and low androgens (deca or eq and sust or test) Tell me what avenue is better. I'd like as many ideas on stacks as possible, so I can then go research them. Please keep in mind that I WILL quit using gear after I attain my goal of 25lbs over 2 years. Please also keep in mind that I have no desire to gain more than 10-12 pounds in one cycle. I want to grow slowly and as naturally as possible. I want the quality muscle gains over the 2 year span. I plan to use to get bigger, and maintain for the rest of my life. Thanks bros, and please keep resonding (experienced people only please). You guys have been a great help.
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Ice Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 593) |
posted July 27, 2000 01:23 PM
I believe in no testo on a first cycle. I did Deca/Primo and was very pleased at the results. If the search engine is back up, look for No Test for Newbie and you can find a couple of great threads. IP: Logged |
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ryry Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 661) |
posted July 27, 2000 01:41 PM
my first cycle was an eq only cycle. the mistake i made is that i didn't do it long enough. do at least eight weeks with either drug. and i don't forget, and i mean don't forget, to take clomid thoughout the cycle and not just post cycle. trust me on this ------------------ IP: Logged |
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jdismukes Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 346) |
posted July 27, 2000 02:08 PM
Bro you need to go with a stack of an androgen and an anabolic. Go with what I suggested yesterday, you can leave out the d-bol and you can also do a little lower dose. But do that, don't stack two anabolics that is a waste of money and time. IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 647) |
posted July 27, 2000 02:08 PM
To do exactly what you said you want to do, I would go on two or three very light eight week cycles of: Deca 200-400mg per week (tapered)/Sust 250mg per week and clomid to be safe. You should easily gain around 15lbs on the first and a little less (maybe ten)on the following cycles. My theory here is that you will keep about 25lbs long afterwards, and with the cycles being light and short you won't damage your health. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ajc1977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 647) |
posted July 27, 2000 02:12 PM
I would imagine that the Deca/Primo cycles would work as well, if you want to stay away from test altogether. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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