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FLEXMEX
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posted July 25, 2000 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLEXMEX     Edit/Delete Message
A WHILE BACK I BRUISED MY ROTATOR CUP REALLY BADLY FROM SOME DICK THAT DOESNT KNOW HOW TO SPOT.BUT MY SHOULDERS ARE STILL PAINFUL.WHAT KINDA WORKOUT CAN I DO TO STILL HIT SHOULDERS BUT ALLOW THEM PROPER RECUPERATION?

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FLEXMEX
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posted July 25, 2000 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLEXMEX     Edit/Delete Message
I ALSO HAVENT HIT MY SHOULDERS IN A MONTH..BUT I TRIED TO HIT THEM LAST WEEK AND THEY ARE STILL PAINFUL JUST NOT AS BAD.

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ajc1977
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posted July 25, 2000 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
Bump...My left delt has been hurting during arm, chest, and delt workouts. I plan on not working shoulders, doing flye type movements for chest and being careful on arm workouts for the next couple of weeks to see if it lets up.

Is there anything else I can do to help speed recovery?

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Little_Hurt
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posted July 25, 2000 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Little_Hurt   Click Here to Email Little_Hurt     Edit/Delete Message
Talk about Deja Vu. Same thing bro. Hurt right shoulder doing flat bench, couldn't even do a push up for a week. Had to warm up for a 1/2 hr before I work out instead of the normal 10min on the bike and 5 with the broom stick. Went with lighter weight yesterday, did as many military press as I could and when I felt the smallest amount of pain I stopped, then went to the delt fly machine and had no pain at all. This was the first time in 3 weeks I wasn't agonizing.
Good luck.

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hayesjones
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posted July 25, 2000 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hayesjones   Click Here to Email hayesjones     Edit/Delete Message
always take a 10lb plate and do some shoulder raises before you do every workout.
Also, try putting some iceyhot on your shoulders before you workout so that the muscles get heated up

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ajc1977
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posted July 25, 2000 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
Just an idea, but I wonder if there's anything (besides GH) that could be taken to heal the injury faster.

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ajc1977
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posted July 25, 2000 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
Bump...Does anyone have suggestions?

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Mickey
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posted July 25, 2000 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mickey   Click Here to Email Mickey     Edit/Delete Message
Add me to the list of people with recent shoulder problems!
I havent done anything in over a week.

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Fast Eddie
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posted July 25, 2000 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fast Eddie   Click Here to Email Fast Eddie     Edit/Delete Message
A great guy on another board gave me a few exersizes for my bad shoulders.

Lay on your side, take a light weight and hold in the hand that is not on the bench. Keep your elbow at your side and bent 90 degrees. with your palm down, raise and lower the weight for three sets of fifteen keeping the elbow tight.

Grasp a broom stick with a wide grip in front of you. Raise over your head and behind you until you touch your ass. Do this about 15 times. As this gets easier, narrow the grip.

Simmilar to the first movement is this one that is performed standing. Hold your arms out lateral perpendicular to your torso(top of side lateral) bending elbows to 90 degrees, rotate arm to raise and lower a light weight.

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Vitaman
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posted July 25, 2000 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vitaman   Click Here to Email Vitaman     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 77744808
What Fast Eddie desrcibe in the first exercise is also known as L-Flyes for the external rotators. That exercise, twice a week, has done wonders for my shoulder problems.

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MoreMass
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posted July 25, 2000 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoreMass   Click Here to Email MoreMass     Edit/Delete Message
I would say deca is good for your joints. I'v heard that sometimes they use it after big surgery to rebuild muscle tissue and strenghten ligaments. But if you want to use it like that I'd recommend small dosage.

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ajc1977
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posted July 25, 2000 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
That is true, but I'm already in the middle of a deca/sust stack.

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youmama
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posted July 25, 2000 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for youmama   Click Here to Email youmama     Edit/Delete Message
I blew out my shoulder doing incline BPs a couple of years ago. It was diagnosed as a mild rotator cuff tear, it hurt like hell! It healed eventually, but periodically it gets irritated again...we're going through one of those episodes now, but I've got a new physical therapist who's great. She says, don't do anything painful, but you've got to keep a full range of motion possible or else the joint will freeze up. She said those L flies are better as a preventative that as therapy after an injury. The therapist gave me an exercise to do...it's complicated...if anybody's interested, I'll go into it in greater detail. It seems to be working!

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ajc1977
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posted July 25, 2000 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
Fire away bro...

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youmama
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posted July 26, 2000 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for youmama   Click Here to Email youmama     Edit/Delete Message
You have to get a belt-like strap with a buckle on it...she got her's from a luggage store...the strap is used to hold luggage together. It's about 5-6 feet long when stretched out, but to use it it has to be in a loop, like a buckled belt. You could probably rig something else up. Anyway, you lodge the buckle at about shoulder height in a door jam, close the door so that the loop is secure. Then slip the loop over your sore shoulder joint and lean forward slightly, pulling the shoulder back a little. You then raise and lower your arm right in front of you, somewhat to the side, and then completely at the side, like you're doing side laterals. 10 reps at each angle. The object is to go through the motion without any pain...you'll have to experiment moving the strap to different places on your shoulder to do this. You can even slip it down to your upper arm. Keep leaning slightly forward. This slightly re-aligns the joint and allows the rotator cuff muscles to move and strengthen without further inflaming them. That's as far as the therapist has taken me...I'm guessing soon we'll add a little weight.

You might also check out www.hardgainer.com/articles/17-60.html
for a good article on shoulders and what exercises can still be done with shoulder problems.

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Fener
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posted July 26, 2000 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fener     Edit/Delete Message
i had the same problem. press behind neck fucked up my rotator cuff. i 'll give you my routine for chest and shoulders that allows me to train well without pain. Dont bench for a long while because it is very hard for the rotator cuff in the lower position.Forget press behind neck and uprightrows for life.

Chest machine (PARTIAL REPS)
pullover (NOT A TOO LONG RAGE OF MOVEMENT)
dumbell press (PARALLEL GRIP)
l flyes(DO IT TWICE A WEEK)

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shmucko
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posted July 26, 2000 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmucko   Click Here to Email shmucko     Edit/Delete Message
I haven't had a good upper body workout in 4 months, very depressing. I was given a second cortisone shot on monday, now I feel like shit and decided to research bursitis online. I found on mothernature.com that intramuscular injections of b-12 and b-3 will aid in healing bursitis. If your shoulder problems are similar you may want to try this. I will post my results later.

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FLEXMEX
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posted July 26, 2000 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLEXMEX     Edit/Delete Message
right on bros...thanks for the info

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aahepp
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posted July 26, 2000 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aahepp   Click Here to Email aahepp     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 82968675
Flex. I have had a torn cup for some time now. I went to the doc and told him that I coulnd't do a good over head press because of the problems. He prescribed a drug called "Celebrex". It is made for arthritis (sp). The funny things is that it has done wonders for me. I cna now use my shoulder without any pain. I also had a bone spur that was tearing into the cuff.

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ulter
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posted July 26, 2000 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ulter   Click Here to Email ulter     Edit/Delete Message
I had 2 bad shoulders that would feel like a stake was going through them every time I added weight to my bench. For 8 years I got cortizone shots, P/T, arthritis medicine, I would not do shoulders for 6-8 weeks, nothing worked for me. Then I got them both scoped and cleaned out and I haven't had a problem in 5 years. We beat the shit out of our shoulders on that damn bench and after time, there is so much damage in there it has to be cleaned out.
That's my opinion... I could be wrong..

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little one
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posted July 26, 2000 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for little one     Edit/Delete Message
How's your flexibility? If your have your upper arm along your torso and try to bring your forearm/hand away from your body while keeping your elbow bent to 90 degrees how far can you get? You should be able to go around 65 degrees before you start arching and substituting. I agree with the exercise Fast Eddie described. I've given it out to many of my patients in PT and they have had very good recoveries. I would also be concerned with getting your internal and external rotation back to normal. There are some simple stretches you can do for that. I would avoid exercises that require your upper arms to do most of the work above shoulder level. That reduces the amount of space available within the shoulder joint and sets you up for reinjury.

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Juicer56
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posted July 26, 2000 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Juicer56     Edit/Delete Message
load up on deca&test...stick to isolation exercises with high reps and try some nubain out for a six week period then you should be ok...also try some of that JSF by champion and also glucosamine/chondrotin...hey i know its natural but it works

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TonyDelk
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posted July 27, 2000 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TonyDelk   Click Here to Email TonyDelk     Edit/Delete Message
No flame here bros,

But what the hell is a "rotator cup"? ;-)

Your "rotator cuff" is I presume what you are referring to as the injury in your shoulder.

Just clarification. That's all.

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ChaosXL
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posted July 27, 2000 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChaosXL   Click Here to Email ChaosXL     Edit/Delete Message
Ive injured my cuff before and was out for almost three weeks, till I found some rehab exersizes on the net. hayesjones is right, before you attempt ANY training that involves your shoulders, do raises with a ten or five pound wait. Do them to the front and side and then through a full range of motion. This will keep you from injuring yourself again. But until you feel you can take on ANY amount of weight (preferrbly small), during the day try side lateral raises with no wait and rotate your shoulder forward also. I did this for a week and I was able to lift by the second week of doing this. Hope this helps!

"Reinventing The Steel"

ChaosXL

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youmama
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posted July 27, 2000 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for youmama   Click Here to Email youmama     Edit/Delete Message
Tony, the rotator cuff muscles are small and located on the top of the humerus, between the ball of the humerus and the ends of the clavicle and scapula. These little muscles help you rotate your arm into various positions. Because they are jammed between bones, and not located on the outside of bones like other muscles, when they get torn or inflamed they swell and there's not much room for them to swell into. Then there can really be trouble! Usually the treatment is physical therapy, but if there's a bad enough tear surgery may be needed. The surgery is supposed to be really awful. Rotator cuff injuries are the bane of baseball players.

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