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 FLAXSEED OIL INCREASES PROSTATE CANCER RISK
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natural-mike Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted July 25, 2000 03:57 PM
  
Gentlemen,, A word to the wise for those who supplement there OMega 3's and/or Omega 6's Flaxseed oil increases the growth of prostate cancer cells in men by 300%. Do the research yourself if you doubt me. Instead use OMEGA Fish OIL make sure its MAX EPA. Women can use the Flaxseed, men use the fish oil...its basically the same thing. Regards, Natural-Mike IP: Logged |
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Luv2Lift Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted July 25, 2000 04:05 PM
How about supplying us with the source of your bit of new "information" instead of saying we should hunt for it? Thanks. IP: Logged |
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weez Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 182) |
posted July 25, 2000 04:13 PM
Would like to see the data before I start worrying........ IP: Logged |
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Green Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 399) |
posted July 25, 2000 04:16 PM
spill it bro. Where did you read this? LAter, Green IP: Logged |
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Vitaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 494) |
posted July 25, 2000 07:07 PM
Sorry, I too need more proof. I have seen too much good information on Flax Seed Oil and never have seen any real negative things. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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E-Toon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted July 25, 2000 07:31 PM
Provide some references to back your statement up please. The literature that I have dug up (from the Internet, Medline and Medscape) all indicate the exact opposite to what you stated, that flaxseed both reduces the risk and retards the progression of many cancers. Below are some references, abstracts, excerps etc. for anyone interested. ___________________________ Eur Urol 1999;35(5-6):377-87 (ISSN: 0302-2838) Denis L; Morton MS; Griffiths K Oncology Asian men have much lower incidences of prostate cancer and possibly of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) than their Western counterparts.....Both Asian and vegetarian men consume low-fat, high-fibre diets which provide a rich supply of weak dietary oestrogens. These plant or phyto-oestrogens have been proposed as chemopreventive agents, particularly for Asian men and to a lesser extent, for vegetarian men also. .....Many foods of plant origin contain varying amounts of these compounds and hundreds of plants manifest some degree of oestrogenic activity. .....In particular, apigenin and kaempferol are regarded as major flavonoids because of their common occurrence in plants, and their significant concentrations when present. .... Plant lignans are present in many cereals, grains, fruits and vegetables, and give rise to the mammalian lignans, enterodiol and enterolactone; however, the richest source is linseed (flaxseed) and other oilseeds. In addition to their oestrogenic activity, many of these plant compounds can interfere with steroid metabolism and bioavailability, and also inhibit enzymes, such as tyrosine kinase and topoisomerase, which are crucial to cellular proliferation.
Conclusion: These results provide the first experimental evidence that flaxseed reduces metastasis and inhibits the growth of the metastatic secondary tumors in animals. It is concluded that flaxseed may be a useful nutritional adjuvant to prevent metastasis in cancer patients. Cancer Lett 1998 Feb 27;124(2):181-6 (ISSN: 0304-3835)
Exerps: Flaxseed and its major mammalian lignan precursor secoisolariciresinol diglycoside have been shown to be protective against chemically induced carcinogenesis in animal models.... Nutr Cancer 1997;27(1):26-30 (ISSN: 0163-5581) Other References: Nutr Cancer 1999;35(1):50-7 (ISSN: 0163-5581) Thompson LU, Rickard SE, Orcheson LJ, et al. Jenab M, Thompson LU IP: Logged |
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Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 227) |
posted July 25, 2000 07:36 PM
Come on bro. Where did you read this at. Just because you read it from one little study doesn't mean it is a fact. Hell, I can write a report about how creatine kills you and post it on my website but that doesn't mean that it is fact. If you've got some valid info please let us know where you got it so we can check it out. Inquiring minds want to know... IP: Logged |
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Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 227) |
posted July 25, 2000 07:38 PM
And E-toon did the smart thing and listed references to back up his info. Where are yours?? IP: Logged |
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hellraisr Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 35) |
posted July 25, 2000 08:35 PM
Mike must have heard that from the media, the same people who say AS kills!! IP: Logged |
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Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 227) |
posted July 26, 2000 03:10 PM
I'm bumping this because I want o know where he read this at. C'mon bro, give up the info. IP: Logged |
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natural-mike Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted July 26, 2000 03:21 PM
Sorry guys, Do a search for Dean Ornish, World renouned doctor , known for reducing degenerative heart failure via diet. You'll see his opinion on Flax and he should have studies printed. Guys don't be pissed at me, I've been supllementing it for 2 years, I read this and stopped. Prostate cancer runs in my fam, so I'm not taking chances, I think Omega 3 / 6 supplement is excellent, but "I'm just saying NO" Fish oil is same thing, same price. Sorry about the lack of info, i was just talking out loud. Natural-mike IP: Logged |
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Luv2Lift Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted July 26, 2000 05:12 PM
Did some research on this Ornish guy---here's an excerpt from an interview he did last year. See the last sentence where he says one study indicated that flax seed oil "MAY increase...". Not enough proof for me. Keep taking your flax oil is my recommendation. Dr. Ornish : I recommend that everyone take 2-3 grams a day of fish oil or flaxseed oil to provide the omega-3 fatty acids. These come in one-gram capsules, best if refrigerated. Most studies show that more is not better, so four grams per day gives you the protective effects of the omega-3 fatty acids without the excess fat and cholesterol. The flaxseed oil is rich in linolenic acid that helps to suppress the formation of arachidonic acid (which is a building block for substances that promote heart attacks and inflammation), whereas the fish oil is rich in a substance called DHA that directly protects the heart. Some of the linolenic acid in flaxseed oil gets converted to DHA, so if you're a strict vegetarian, just take four grams per day of flaxseed oil. Flaxseed oil and fish oil are rich in the omega-3 fatty acids, which may dramatically reduce your risk of sudden cardiac death. The omega-3 fatty acids are found in cold, deep water fish, like salmon, mackerel, and sardines. So, why not just eat fish? Unfortunately, the fish that are the highest in the omega-3 fatty acids are also the highest in fat, cholesterol, and often toxins like mercury, so I think it's better to take them in the form of supplements. The omega-3 fatty acids are also found in certain plant-based oils, especially flaxseed oil and, to a lesser degree, in canola oil. (Olive oil, in contrast, has virtually no omega-3 fatty acids.) Excessive amounts of omega-3 fatty acids, which are found in many vegetable oils, may be harmful. The only caveat is that Dr. Charles Myers at the University of Virginia Medical School has done some studies that flaxseed oil may increase the rate of growth of prostate cancer, so if you're at risk for that, it's better to take fish oil instead. IP: Logged |
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Vitaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 494) |
posted July 27, 2000 07:43 AM
As much as I like to see all points of view on an issue, I still need more proof from scienctific resarch that counters the things currently known about Flax Seed Oil. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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natural-mike Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted July 27, 2000 08:10 AM
Before I get lynched here boys, As mentioned , prostate cancer runs in my family, it may all be hype like 95% of the supplements in the industry but its enough to scare me. By all means continue to take your flaxseed gentlemen, obviously its health benefits are well documented but for ME , and please underline and bold and use size 99 font for the word "ME" . But for me I am avoiding risks and going with the fish oil MAX EPA, now I challenge someone to prove one is inferior to the other. Similar price, similar benefits,a nd my prostate never felt better. Natural-Mike IP: Logged |
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Vitaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 494) |
posted July 27, 2000 08:22 AM
Natural Mike, Here is a link about flax seed oil and prostate cancer. www.barleans.com/literature/57-milligamnewsltr.html Also here is a linke about fish oil compared to Flaxs. Just for the record I take both but I am just sharing this information. www.barleans.com/literature/21-nothingfishy.html ------------------ IP: Logged |
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natural-mike Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted July 27, 2000 01:17 PM
Vitaman, Great post ..thanks for the info. More important...thanks for not jumping down my throat. I bench, therefore I am Natural-Mike IP: Logged |
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Maverik Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 227) |
posted July 27, 2000 02:17 PM
I think the only reason anybody jumped down your throat is because you just left us hanging there at first by not giving references as to where you found the information. Everyday some doctor says that he has found out about something new that will kill you. If we listened to them all we would be scrawny little vegeterians. I will keep taking mine because of the benefits but if prostate cancer runs in your family you are probably doing the right thing by not taking it yet. I would keep your eyes open though and don't totally rule it out yet. But I agree it is better to be safe than sorry. Anytime you find out about knew info related to BB it is always nice to let the board know but next time don't leave us hangin'. Peace... IP: Logged |
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E-Toon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted July 27, 2000 03:03 PM
Sorry if I jumped down your throat Mike, Toon IP: Logged |
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Luv2Lift Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted July 27, 2000 04:14 PM
natural Mike--did you know that 80% of all American males will get cancer of the prostate in later age? So, we're all sort of in the same boat as you. I personally do understand your concern and caution as every male on my father's side of the family has or has had prostate cancer. Two family members have died from it. At this point though, the benefits of using flax outweigh any possible, yet-to-be-proven risks. IP: Logged |
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natural-mike Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted July 28, 2000 08:33 AM
Guys, your totally right? And your still my boys..Never a hard feeling. Next time I'll drop significant research and where I found it ex. web sites. But yo guys were right. Maverick you were right about leaving you guys hanging. And also right about everything becoming bad for us..sh*t soon we wont be able to breathe the air E-toon...no sweat were still boyz. Luv2Lift..totally depressed me with the 80% prostate cancer statistic, just kidding. Thanks for the feedback gentlemen. As usual, always a pleasure dealing with you guys. Stay lean, stay strong, stay horny! Natural-Mike IP: Logged |
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Roy Batty Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 253) |
posted July 28, 2000 12:41 PM
NaturalMike, The articles ref'd by Vitaman seem to be a strong POSITIVE for using flaxseed oil especially with your family history, have you changed your mind after reading them? Also, Ornesh is respected yes, but the diets that he recommends are a little outrageous for a healthy person. IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 223) |
posted July 28, 2000 02:21 PM
You have to take Ornish with a grain of salt. He is like Pritikin in his diet idea, in that fat (all fat) is bad in high amounts. But his high amounts are relative, since he advocates a very low fat diet, somewhere in the 10-15% range. His studies on cardiovascular disease and his diet are flawed also, since he does not advocate a simple diet, but a lifestyle change with vigorous exercise. His studies have shown that this PROGRAM will help halt and regress cardiovascular disease, but he continues to promote his diet as the key. When one goes from eating shitty to eating good, stop smoking, and start exercising, how do you claim that your diet is the main factor? I would like to see a study comparing say a low carb diet+exercise against his low fat+exercise program. Sorry for the rant, but Ornish is like Sears in that he can sometimes make some unsupported statements. He is still of the belief that cholesterol and fat in foods are bad, so he even advocates staying away from cold water fish for this reason. LUV2LIFT is correct, most men will experience some sort of prostate problem in their life. The best idea would be to reduce sat. fat intake, lower carbs and increase herbs like saw palmetto and pygeum. IP: Logged |
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