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glazed_donutz
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posted July 21, 2000 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for glazed_donutz   Click Here to Email glazed_donutz     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 52939896
i have read and researched and read some more that the body can only handle 30 grams of protien a one time the rest would be crapped out or wasted????
what have you guys heard???

because if the body can handle more protien i can eat more donutz at one sitting :^)

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jdismukes
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posted July 21, 2000 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jdismukes   Click Here to Email jdismukes     Edit/Delete Message
I belive that is the biggest myth. I get over 60 grams a serving from the shakes I drink. Think about it, if your body could only handle 30 grams at the time, how would you ever get the 1 gram per pound of body weight required to gain new muscle mass. I think most people who state that myth are small people.

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glazed_donutz
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posted July 21, 2000 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for glazed_donutz   Click Here to Email glazed_donutz     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 52939896
exactly what i was thinking it is just that i have read in other posts and from my own experience is terrible gas loose stools maybe its from the jelly donutz i will try eating the sugar ones.

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BigTruck
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posted July 21, 2000 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigTruck   Click Here to Email BigTruck     Edit/Delete Message
I've read that there is really no scientific data that backs up the old 50 grams max per serving idea -- just that it had been repeated so much that people take it as fact.

In T-Mag (yeah, I know) there was an article or a reply to a question (I don't remember which) about three weeks ago in which the author said that some scientific studies show you can handle boatloads of protein at a time... He said it's true that the efficiency of the protein goes down after a certain point, but that it wasn't really a significant drop off. If I remember right, he was saying it's possible to take 100+ grams in one serving.

Personally, I keep my servings between 35 - 60 grams and eat 6 - 8x per day.

The gas, etc. that you mentioned might be from lactose. Some proteins (Prolab) give it to me bad, while others (Designer) are totally clean (for me). Experiment with manufacturers and protein compositions to find the one that causes you the least amount of gastrointestinal stress.

Hope this helps.

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Slopain
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posted July 21, 2000 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Slopain   Click Here to Email Slopain     Edit/Delete Message
I always wonder about this and have seen the question come and go on this board. I tend to think we can handle 50g of protein easily but it never fails people saying the body can only handle x amount (usually between 30-45 grams or so) I always ask where can you prove that? Answer: everyone knows it... Man that gets frustrating.

Slopain

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InstantGrowth
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posted July 21, 2000 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InstantGrowth     Edit/Delete Message
Long time ago this topic was disscussed and someone had done some reaserch on it, I don't remember who though. Anyway from the research that this person had done he said that the body canno't digest or process more than 60gm per hour. I have not done any research on this myself so I don't know how acurate this is.
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ajc1977
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posted July 21, 2000 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
An article in Flex a couple months ago reported a study where subjects were given 1 gram of protein per lb. of fat free body weight. One group got their protein spread out evenly over 5 or 6 meals and the other group got 50% at one setting and the rest of the daily protein spread out evenly.

The group that got 50% in one setting ended up with higher nitrogen retention throughout the day.

So I don't think it matters. I personally would rather eat too much protein than not enough.

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Ffactor
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posted July 21, 2000 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ffactor     Edit/Delete Message
I've had good gains while being on juice without increasing my protein intake by much. I do think the body can process a certain amount of protein at a time. I don't know what that quantity is though. I'm not a believer in consuming incredibly high amounts of protein. Published material on Medline refers to 0.75 g/kg of bodyweight.

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SMALL
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posted July 21, 2000 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SMALL     Edit/Delete Message
IF YOUR BODY COULD ONLY USE 30-40g OF PROTEIN EVERY FEW HOURS ...THERE WOULD BE NO 250+POUND MEN...NOT ENOUGH TIME IN THE DAY

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mistah_d
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posted July 21, 2000 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mistah_d     Edit/Delete Message
personally I eat 5000 grams of protein a day...I also eat plastic wrappers. That way, I shit out all the excess protein in a wrapped bar and sell them to newbies for $5 hehe. Seriously, I weigh 228 lbs and I take in about 450 gr/day over 6 meals with no real changes...Most studies on protein are done using average people..no one heer is average and we would obviously need more protein...we have more muscle to grow and support.

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ajc1977
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posted July 21, 2000 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
You must remember that the body will use some protein for energy as well as building/repairing muscle. So, the more the better as far as I'm concerned. I usually take in at least 100-120 grams in the 3 hours following training.

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Romeo
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posted July 21, 2000 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Romeo   Click Here to Email Romeo     Edit/Delete Message
glazed as far as i know the body can only take in take in 30 grams per serving ...what i mean by that is if you eat--or drink 30 grams through the digestion process you will lose grams of protein......but if you take in say 60grams..you are guaranteed to take in the full amout the body allows....

i am not a doctor but you may want to ask

davebrucas---

peace romeo

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tryin2getby
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posted July 21, 2000 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tryin2getby   Click Here to Email tryin2getby     Edit/Delete Message
I know a personal trainer who is not what you would call a small guy.....he backs up the 30 grams of protein per serving.....over 30 and the loose stools and gas come into play.....and to get the 1 gram per body weight you have to eat....6 meals or meal replacements a day maybe more........just some info passed on to me by the trainer

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DocJ
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posted July 21, 2000 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
I remember this question was answered during my third semester nutrition class (I was paying close attention). The body can handle about 100g at any one time. Your GI tract might not thank you though, hehe.

The 30g rumor got started when Lou Ferrigno(sp?) mentioned that the body could only take in 30g at a time in M&F. Sometimes rumors have a life of their own, especially in the world of bodybuilding.

Someone with a clinical nutrition degree can give a more detailed answer than I can, hint...ANIMAL?

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ajc1977
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posted July 21, 2000 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
I used to get the shits after taking in over 45-50 grams in one setting. So I got some digestive enzyme capsules to remedy that. Over the next few weeks I upped the post workout protein shakes to the mid 80 range, while still taking the enzymes. After a month or two of doing that, I no longer need to take the digestive enzymes.

Many nutritionists will tell you that you must let your body get adjusted to processing that much protein over a period of time.

Another thing you may try is a cup or two of vegetables with a large amount of protein - The fiber in them helps digest the protein.

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jdismukes
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posted July 21, 2000 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jdismukes   Click Here to Email jdismukes     Edit/Delete Message
That is what I belive, tryn2getbig, if you only ate 30 grams it would take me 7 meals and some of the other guys 8 meals to get one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. The last person I would listen to is a personal trainer or some joker that works at a GNC. No flame intended, but do the math.

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Roy Batty
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posted July 21, 2000 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roy Batty   Click Here to Email Roy Batty     Edit/Delete Message
First off I think we have to look at where the information is coming from ie that you have to eat ridiculous amounts of protein per day. Where? From people with an interest in a SUPPLEMENT COMPANY. Come on people, don't be so damned gullible.

What the body needs, Lou "big brain" Ferrigno notwithstanding, is 1 gram of protein per **POUND OF LEAN BODY MASS**. Fat mass, adipose, does not use protein as far as I know. Correct me if I'm wrong, but simply put below.

So you get this: 1 asshole-ME, at 228 lbs.

228-13%BF= 198.36 lbs of lean body mass,so you have 198.36 grams of protein daily DIVIDED BY 6 MEALS = 33.06 grams of protein per meal. I believe that a *little* overcompensation is in order so I get 37gr.

This assertion is also made by Dr. Barry Sears, who is no slouch when it comes to modern nutrition.

Hey if you guys want the gas and the friggin upset stomach, whatever, go ahead but it's NOT required.

[This message has been edited by Roy Batty (edited July 21, 2000).]

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ajc1977
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posted July 21, 2000 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
Look at what I posted earlier...Some protein will be used for energy...Not all of it will be used by muscle tissue.

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BigTruck
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posted July 21, 2000 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigTruck   Click Here to Email BigTruck     Edit/Delete Message
Roy,
I think you have a good point about protein requirements, but he was asking how much could be assimilated at one time, not how much he required overall.

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Bubba
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posted July 21, 2000 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bubba   Click Here to Email Bubba     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 53510442
I try and get 3 solid meals and 3 shakes or replacements. I wait 3 hours after a solid meal and 2 hours after a shake. Taking in about 50 grams per meal (Give or take). 300 grams per day for me at 275lbs seems a good number.

Just my two cents...

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