posted July 20, 2000 03:37 PM            

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Read in the book Anabolics 2000 where the author stated that tapering d-bol is counter productive. I will explain his opinion here --- He says that while lowering your dosages of the drug will do just that, give your body less chemical, the lesser amount is still more than normal for your body. Like instead of 8 times your normal production you now have 3 times. Your body will recognize this extra amount and do the same negative things it will do with a higher dosage. This is mostly regarding test levels and the hypothalmus axis and that area not other side effects.

By tapering you are only delaying the recovery process and it is pointless. This does make sense to me and I would be interested to hear what you bros have to say about this very different approach to the usual tapering routine.

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posted July 20, 2000 03:41 PM            

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Interesting!!!

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posted July 20, 2000 03:48 PM            

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that's something to think about, i can understand that.
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posted July 20, 2000 03:59 PM            

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Possible, but side effects seem to be dose related. The higher the dosage the more severe the sides,therefore I think the
hypothalmus can recognize how much over
the normal level you are and adapt from there.

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posted July 20, 2000 03:59 PM            

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I'm not sure, but this may be the point of view if you don't take clomid. By taking clomis you start the natural test production again. BY tapering, you avoid the sudden drastic change of hormones in your body, avoiding a crash.
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posted July 20, 2000 04:13 PM            

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I never have tapered dbol...8 till the end!

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posted July 20, 2000 04:22 PM            

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I was going to post something similiar as a question but I decided to add it to this since it kinda falls along the same lines. Right now I have Sustanon and about 2000 d-bol tabs I have been sitting on, trying to decide if I want to use them or not in my next stack. As of now I was going to do 500 of sus per week for 6 weeks followed by 250 week 7 as sort of a taper(plus it tapers itself). I was also thinking of adding 40mg of d-bol for 4 weeks starting at week 3 and then stopping suddenly with the d-bol and let the sustanon ride the cycle out. Plus I would finish up with clomid for a couple of weeks 10 days after the last Sustanon injection once the "unnatural levels" begin to decline making a natural boost necessary. The reason I am posting here, like I said, is because I agree with the logic stated above. Has anyone done anything remotely similiar to this? The bottom line...would I just be better off doing just a straight sustanon cycle as far as permanence of the gains or would the sustanon allow me to keep the additional d-bol results? BTW...it is my second "hard" cycle, with deca considered soft in-between.

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posted July 20, 2000 04:26 PM            

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The d-bol will really jump start you cycle, weight and strength wise. Not sure about the taper question. Read my reply on the current cycle post, I'm doing something similar right now.
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posted July 20, 2000 04:27 PM            

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The d-bol will really jump start you cycle, weight and strength wise. Not sure about the taper question. Read my reply on the current cycle post, I'm doing something similar right now.
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posted July 20, 2000 04:34 PM            

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Bump... This is a good post.

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posted July 20, 2000 08:52 PM            

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I can see the argument for tapering d-bol to avoid a crash if you take the d-bol to the end of the cycle. But if you only take it for the first 4 weeks or so and continue on with other drugs than I see no need to taper.

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posted July 20, 2000 09:35 PM            

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I just want to know if the sustanon will allow you to keep the majority of the d-ball "blow-up". Everyone says that you lose alot when on a d-bol cycle....including the strength gained due to the neurological boost you get. But my reasoning is that the aggression and other benefits you get from the test should at least be able to offset the majority of the expected losses. Or will you continue to grow during the last two weeks of the sustanon or will it just allow you to maintain the d-bol gains as your body adjusts to its new-found size.....
There are alot of questions here that could really only be answered by someone who tried something like this....

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posted July 20, 2000 09:37 PM            

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Remember that the key here is cold-turkey on the d-bol as said up-top

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posted July 20, 2000 09:52 PM            

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BChemist - It is interesting how you say "aggression and other benefits." Most people consider aggression to be a big negative.

Great topic by the way!

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posted July 20, 2000 10:12 PM            

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Thanks....actually agression in small amounts is what makes us men. Usually it's the men with "controlled" aggression...like motivation...that are the successful ones in life. When I am on test I feel invincible and get so much done....and I swear there's a phermone thing as a bonus, because people tend to just get out of your way when the cycle is in full bloom. You would never know that I was juicing by my attitude...actually the more test I am on, the nicer of a guy I am... (???)...seriously

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posted July 20, 2000 10:32 PM            

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I'm with SAINT on this one. If used at the begining of a cycle, there is no need to taper. If you're using just d-bol in a cycle, I can see the need for a taper, as most of the sides you see from d-bol are dose related.

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posted July 21, 2000 01:01 AM         

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Bchemist-YOU SHOULD START THE D-BOL AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR CYCLE RIGHT ALONG WITH THE SUST. SUST IS VERY SLOW ACTING(IT TAKES ABOUT 3-4 WEEKS BEFORE IT REALLY KICKS IN).STARTING D-BOL AT THE BEGINNING WILL GET YOU GROWING IMMEDIATELY WHILE THE SUST IS STILL BUILDING IN YOUR SYSTEM.BY WEEK 4 WHEN YOU STOP THE D-BOL YOU WILL HAVE THE SUST KICKING INTO HIGH GEAR(FROM A CARRY OVER EFFECT)AND YOU CAN COLD-TURKEY THE D-BOL WITH LITTLE TO NO LOSSES FROM DOING SO.JUST CONTINUE YOUR SUST ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND DONT FORGET YOUR CLOMID AT THE END-GOOD LUCK MY FRIEND!

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posted July 21, 2000 01:25 AM            

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THE APE, you have a good point there! Would five weeks of D-Bol too much for a person who this will be a first "REAL" cycle? Also if to add Deca, when to start and how much?
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posted July 21, 2000 01:45 AM            

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No 5 weeks is definately not too much. Most people do 5 or 6 weeks.

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posted July 21, 2000 08:48 AM            

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The Ape-are you saying that you have personally done a cycle like this? Or know someone who has?

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posted July 21, 2000 12:13 PM            

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I agree aahthit, If you stop the d-bol cold turkey but continue with sust. You are actually still tapering your a/s.

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