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madmitch Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted July 20, 2000 08:42 AM
 
Someone please either tell me if they believe in my theory or at least tear it to pieces. Ok: I have read that steroid receptor sites are not steroid specific. Also I have read that each steroid has a different affinity for receptor sites. e.g. Anavar has a greater affinity than Anadrol, that is why Anavar comes in 2.5 mg tabs while Anadrol comes in 50 mg tabs. However as we all know Anadrol sends a very different message to your body than Anavar. My point is: WHY BOTHER STACKING STEROIDS? Why not just use one steroid in the main part of your cycle, say the first 8 weeks? Why you ask? Well lets imagine your body only has enough receptor sites for 500 mg's of steroids per week. Why then would you use 350 mg of Dianabol per week (10 tabs/day) plus 750 mg of test per week? i.e. If Dianabol has a greater affinity for receptors than testosterone, then 600 mg's of the test you are injecting is not being used. Ok no one knows how many receptor sites their body has, but in the example above why not just use 750 mg of Test per week. Ok, 250 mg is going to waste, but at least you will know that it is the testosterone that is doing most of the work not the Dianabol or some other steroid that you choose to stack with it. I'm not saying that you can't use different steroids at the end of your cycle like primo or winy to help solidify the gains. But why waste money by taking 3 or 4 different steroids at once, when you haven't got a clue which one is doing most of the work. Maybe I'm talking crap, or worse still, talking to myself. What do you guy's think? IP: Logged |
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BigPapaPump Moderator (Total posts: 420) |
posted July 20, 2000 08:49 AM
 Good thinking, the chemistry is slightly flawed but thats ok. Newbies do not need to stack multiple AS. I think the board gave up trying to drive that point home along time ago. It is a gigantic waste of money for most. There are some compounds that work better when used with something else but for the majority of users, I recommend the KISS program....Keep It SImple Stupid. BPP IP: Logged |
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DianaBallBusta Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 794) |
posted July 20, 2000 08:52 AM
Well thats one reason why you don't need to stack for your first, second or even third cycles. It's good to use just one type of AS to see how your body responds. Then you'll know what works for you, which will help you write up a better cycle for yourself. Dbol and anadrol should never be taken by themselves no matter what. Thats just asking for trouble. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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jdismukes Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 289) |
posted July 20, 2000 08:56 AM
I agree in part. It is a waste of money if you stack the wrong things. For example, deca and primo or d-bol and androl. But if you stack a steriod that is anabolic with a steriod that is androgenic then you have complete receptor site stimulation, which results in a kinda synergy, and results in better gains that one steriod alone. I belive that, I have seen it in myself. IP: Logged |
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Krusher Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 355) |
posted July 20, 2000 09:06 AM
i'm starting to buy into this myself, my thinking is a gram or two of test per week and some primo at the end will yeild as good a results as more complex (read expensive) cycles. IP: Logged |
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madmitch Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted July 20, 2000 10:14 AM
At least I'm not alone in my way of thinking. I've only been doing roids a year and have gained and kept 30lb's which I guess is pretty crap, hearing that some guy's on this board have gained that in one cycle. Yet I have never used much more than a gram of steroids per week and my cycles are pretty short 6-8 weeks. I've never had acne no sides what so ever. Some people have told me this means my body can probably handle a lot more, but I am not that sure. I always stacked roids but realised that I was not getting the results that I was after. That is why I think the weaker more anabolic roids can actually take up all your receptor sites and thus bloke the more powerful roids from doing their thing. Thanks anyway for your replies. IP: Logged |
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el cubano Moderator (Total posts: 596) |
posted July 20, 2000 10:35 AM
Back in the day stacking was unheard of, but once people started stacking they realized that they were getting bigger and better gains that stayed around after the cycle. For instance, everyone should know that you lose alot of the gains from a test only cycle but if you stack test with deca or primo you can keep most of the gains! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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giantset Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 229) |
posted July 20, 2000 10:54 AM
You stack in order to obtain the androgenic to anabolic ratio that is best for you. Some people find that they like a more androgenic stack to add faster mass and strength while some prefer a stack that is more anabolic so that gains are slower but more permanent. Also, some drugs exhibit unique effects that people want while cycling like deca to ease joint pain or winstrol to increase vascularity. There is no perfect steroid out there so stacking is as close as we can come to a custom steroid that meets our individual needs. Later, IP: Logged |
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jdismukes Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 289) |
posted July 20, 2000 11:13 AM
bump, that is what I belive IP: Logged |
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GAAV KOSH Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 20, 2000 03:32 PM
BUMP, THIS IS A GREAT THREAD. LET'S HEAR FROM SOME MORE VETS AND MODS. IP: Logged |
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blkLotus Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 142) |
posted July 20, 2000 03:46 PM
gonna have to bump this one ! peace, IP: Logged |
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flexed1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 709) |
posted July 20, 2000 03:58 PM
in the begining i took sus 250 and grew very fast and than lost most of it when i stopped. i have been training for a while and have never made better gains than in the last year because of stacking. I stack things that react different in the body. sus or test for size, primo for symetry and bodyfat reduction, decrease test and add in equipose and winny to get hard as well as keep gains as with test and d bol you lose much of your gains if you are not smart. i see guys blow up than deflate and than i see me adding muscle slowly, losing none, keeping lean and having a body thats impressive enough that people approach me in the gym everyday because i always grow not smooth or puffy but bigger, rounder, fuller, and leaner,and they always ask if i am getting ready for a show.. So there are two spectrums here and to me as your body ages and builds size the cycling is what gives you the edge in how you look. look at bodybuilders from the past ( d bol, test) and look at ones now who cycle everything. its a different look. my 2 cents IP: Logged |
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flexed1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 709) |
posted July 20, 2000 05:25 PM
bump to the top IP: Logged |
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G-Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 111) |
posted July 20, 2000 06:11 PM
Flex i agree completely. I am just now starting to do the slow more consitant gains. I wish i could go back to Mexico and get 4 100cc bottles of EQ and do that for like 5 months straight!! I am doing Fina and Winny right now, just started the Fina and gettin pretty hard, i will throw in Winny in about 15 days. Can't wait... I know everybody has heard me say this about a 100 times.  ------------------ IP: Logged |
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flexed1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 709) |
posted July 20, 2000 08:22 PM
agree, slow gains that i can keep are wll worth it. i am only on eq and winny but have gained almost 15 pounds and my bf is no higher than 7%. worked out tonight and folks still can't beleive how good i look and how i keep growing and looking better. i am only on 50 eod winny and 450 ml eq but will hit a semi bulking cycle in november to put on maybe another 15 pound though it won't be solid like now than cut back down to compete in april. IP: Logged |
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Anabolicum Mister Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 403) |
posted July 20, 2000 08:47 PM
There is also a theory that stacking steroids is synergistic because of the steroids affinity to binding to sex hormone binding globulim (SHBG) in the blood. By stacking 2 or more steroids together, they will compete for binding to SHBG and therefore free up more of the drug to bind to the AR. [This message has been edited by Anabolicum Mister (edited July 20, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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ColumboWeiser Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 82) |
posted July 20, 2000 09:01 PM
I have decided this also...so I set my next cycle up like this wk1-4 250mg sust wk4-12 dbol 6/day wk6-16 primo depot 400mg wk wk1-8 GHG 2iu's eod... wk 17-18 clomid 100mg/day what do you guys think?
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