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JUICESEEKER
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posted July 18, 2000 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JUICESEEKER   Click Here to Email JUICESEEKER     Edit/Delete Message
ARE THERE ANY DOCS ON THIS BOARD ANY WHERE?
WE NEED MORE OF YOUR INPUT.

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animal B
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posted July 18, 2000 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for animal B   Click Here to Email animal B     Edit/Delete Message
what do you need, Im a chiropractor and clinical nutritionist

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msg
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posted July 18, 2000 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for msg   Click Here to Email msg     Edit/Delete Message
AnimalB is also a damn good bro!! lol. thanks animalB!
peace,
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el cubano
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posted July 18, 2000 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for el cubano   Click Here to Email el cubano     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 61265596
Hey man, I've been to self aid and buddy care class as well as CPR training; can I post?

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~Goku~
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posted July 18, 2000 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ~Goku~     Edit/Delete Message
I have attained Doctrate level of education from a major university that I know everyone on this board is familiar with.
Do I qualify?

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biggmack
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posted July 18, 2000 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for biggmack     Edit/Delete Message
I am a pre-medical student at the University of New Mexico. I could give technical insight, but not too many people on the board would be able to understand.But any time you need a detailed opinion, I am your man! As far as scripts go, sorry buddy!

[This message has been edited by biggmack (edited July 18, 2000).]

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always02
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posted July 18, 2000 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for always02   Click Here to Email always02     Edit/Delete Message
there was this guy on here who was a doc, i think his name was drsavage, who was a real doctor, have not seen him here in a while though.

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DocJ
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posted July 18, 2000 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
Define "real doctor"

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davbrucas
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posted July 18, 2000 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davbrucas   Click Here to Email davbrucas     Edit/Delete Message
hey guys..i am a licensed physician, however, i am still a resident. I have a vast knowledge of medicine, and what i do not know, i can look up in one of my 500 or so books in my collection!!!!

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evissam
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posted July 18, 2000 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for evissam   Click Here to Email evissam     Edit/Delete Message
All right. I confess. I am a chiropractor. Post attention to me if I can answer anything specifically. I also have a degree in Nutritional Biochemistry. Hope I can help.

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Checkmatebloated
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posted July 18, 2000 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Checkmatebloated   Click Here to Email Checkmatebloated     Edit/Delete Message
I don't have any papers, but I can give you a theory you will believe.

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THESAINT
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posted July 18, 2000 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for THESAINT   Click Here to Email THESAINT     Edit/Delete Message
Goku, Don't you mean you recieved a
"Doctorate"

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StoneColdGold
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posted July 18, 2000 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneColdGold   Click Here to Email StoneColdGold     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a licensed bartender. Is that the kind of "medicine" you're looking for?

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ripp
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posted July 19, 2000 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ripp   Click Here to Email ripp     Edit/Delete Message
MDs know alot, but very few know much about AS and other related pharmacology. I would take alot of peoples opinions here over an MD anyday of the week.

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DocJ
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posted July 19, 2000 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
Define "real doctor" always02...

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DRCandyMan
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posted July 19, 2000 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DRCandyMan   Click Here to Email DRCandyMan     Edit/Delete Message
I have a doctrate

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ripp
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posted July 19, 2000 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ripp   Click Here to Email ripp     Edit/Delete Message
you cant even spell it, how can you have one?

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~Goku~
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posted July 19, 2000 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ~Goku~     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry for the incorrect spelling. Even I can make mistake.
How can I a Doctorate?
Two years of hard work.
~Goku~

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THESAINT
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posted July 19, 2000 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for THESAINT   Click Here to Email THESAINT     Edit/Delete Message
Not a flame, just didn't know if there was a different degree.

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always02
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posted July 19, 2000 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for always02   Click Here to Email always02     Edit/Delete Message
as apposed to a fake doctor??

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DocJ
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posted July 19, 2000 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
?????
Someone posing as a doc?
I'll just get to the point.
I was attempting to see if you were implying that a chiropractor is not a "real doctor."
Believe it or not, a MD and DC education is very similar so my point would be that either could contribute a vast amount of knowledge to the board.

Peace,
~DocJ

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always02
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posted July 19, 2000 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for always02   Click Here to Email always02     Edit/Delete Message
no bro, i mean.....ok there was this guy in college i used to get gear from, and we called him dr d., he was not a real doctor, but we called him a doctor, get what i am saying. now a chiropractor on the other hand, isn't that like a foot doctor???? joking. much respect to any kind of doctor, well most of them.

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buff221
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posted July 19, 2000 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for buff221   Click Here to Email buff221     Edit/Delete Message
Registered pharmacist

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DocJ
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posted July 19, 2000 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
Gotcha, sorry, just a pet pieve of mine, I think that was the halo talking...

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BiggerThanU
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posted July 19, 2000 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiggerThanU   Click Here to Email BiggerThanU     Edit/Delete Message
IM a lifeguard, i know all sorts of cpr and medical shit if that helps

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ripp
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posted July 20, 2000 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ripp   Click Here to Email ripp     Edit/Delete Message
a doctor of chiropractic medicine similar to a doctor of medicine? You have got to be kidding. I know for a fact this could be nothing further from the truth. No offence to all you chiropracters out there. You guys do have your place in the medical community.

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DocJ
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posted July 20, 2000 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
PHYSICIAN COMPARISON

CLASS HOURS: DC MD
biochemistry 120 106
anatomy 285 171
histology 135 86
physiology 150 84
microbiology 120 118
nutrition 105 10
pathology 90 156
pharmacology 30 83
neurology 105 160

That's just the basic sciences, I won't even go into Human Systems classes etc.

Here's a intership comparison:
total hours DC MD
994 480

TOTAL CLASS HOURS: DC MD
4339 3615

The chiropractic school I used was Northwestern College of Chiropractic and the Med School was U of Minnesota (ranked 12th in USA).

I hope this clears some things up...

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ripp
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posted July 20, 2000 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ripp   Click Here to Email ripp     Edit/Delete Message
dude, i wouldnt go to a chiropractor if my life (spine) depended on it. You are what keeps orthopedics (MD of orthopedic medicine) busy. My roomate is a chiropractor and he doesnt know gram positive from his gram negative. He didnt even have to have upper level organic. Im not saying you are not smart but dont compare DC to MD...there is none.

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DocJ
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posted July 20, 2000 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
Did you even read my post? By your response, I'm guessing you didn't. As for your roomate, I'm not saying there are not clueless chiros out there but there are just as many clueless MD's out there.
So you won't trust your spine to a chiro? Back pain is due to a lack of muscle relaxors and tylenol in the body then huh?

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ripp
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posted July 20, 2000 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ripp   Click Here to Email ripp     Edit/Delete Message
like i said, you have your place in the medical community. In the same realm as homeopathics, accupuncturists, aromatherapists, etc. Im sorry, this is uncalled for. Just don't put yourself in the same or even close to the same category as an MD. Their program from the start (acceptance) to end (practice) is quite a bit different, selective, and more challenging than chiropractics...Sorry...I know this is killing you, but its the truth. I wont argue with you that there are some MDs who shouldnt be MDs though. This is true in any field.

P.S. It is still a great accomplishment to have done what you have done. Congratulations.

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DocJ
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posted July 20, 2000 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
Here's the scoop. Acceptance is different for different schools (a big flaw I will admit) but the top chiro schools REQUIRE either a chemistry or biology degree which is exactly what any med school requires. As far as "to end", MD's are virtually forced into SPECIALIZATION, where chiros are not. Chiropractors have the same oportunity to specialize (i.e. more school, residency, etc) but most choose not to.
There was a study done by a top med school (either Harvard or Yale) that compared the knowledge in different subject matter in 3 catagories: 1. MD/DC student. 2. MD/DC resident. 3. MD/DC in practice for at least 5 years.
Guess what? DC's scored higher in ALL 3 CATAGORIES in ALL THE SUBJECTS.

Trust me, I've won this argument so many times it's not even a challenge anymore.

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ripp
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posted July 20, 2000 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ripp   Click Here to Email ripp     Edit/Delete Message
only in your eyes. There is a reason why you have to argue it so much. But I do admire your stamina regarding this. You must truly believe. There is something to be said about that.
Lets be friends.

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ripp
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posted July 20, 2000 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ripp   Click Here to Email ripp     Edit/Delete Message
One more thing...if you could please reference the study for me. I would be very interested. If there was one out there, I would love to critique it for you.
Its nothing personal, I have had alot of associations with your profession...I would love it if you could help me gain some sort of trust in it.

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DocJ
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posted July 20, 2000 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
Agreed, but the reason why I argue is to educate the public which has absolutely no idea that chiropractors (at least this one) are required to have that much education.

Take it easy bud...

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DocJ
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posted July 20, 2000 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
You're going to have to give me a sec on that one. I went to a seminar where a MD was lecturing and he put that study up on his powerpoint presentation because he thought we would be interested in it.
I'll get back to you...

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scott825
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posted July 20, 2000 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for scott825     Edit/Delete Message
Well since this post has gotten the attention of so many doctors & med students
I have a question.

I just started taking a antidepresant called
Paxil(20 mg a day) what has me worried is
I looked it up in the pill book & it says
one of the side effects can be weakness.I
dont know what exactly they mean by that
but if its gonna effect my strength in the gym then im not gonna continue taking it.

Please docs or med students help.This has beenn bugging me for the last week.

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Bchemist
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posted July 20, 2000 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bchemist   Click Here to Email Bchemist     Edit/Delete Message
I just love how "pre-med" students think that they know medicine....(pre-med:definition-not in medicine yet!!!!)
I was just at this party a few days ago and this girl hurt her hand....everyone was like...."go talk to Trina! She's 'pre-med'!" Of course Trina looked at the girls hand and gave her "diagnosis" (I'm suprised she didn't bust out the PDR!). It took alot of effort not to spit my beer all over the place from laughter....

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Your_Moms_Kneepads
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posted July 20, 2000 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Your_Moms_Kneepads     Edit/Delete Message
RIPP: Your responses are IGNORANT and show little thought. Chiropractors have saved alot more backs than ANY orthopod EVER has.
I see back surgeries week in and week out. Few are sucess stories.

BTW: Dont use your roomate the chiropractor to typify all chiropractors.

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evissam
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posted July 20, 2000 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for evissam   Click Here to Email evissam     Edit/Delete Message
Ripp - Let's take a few posts to critique your purpose in life. What do you do?

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weez
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posted July 20, 2000 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for weez   Click Here to Email weez     Edit/Delete Message
I used to work in the medical field with both DC's and MD's. I have friends who are both and I've known quack's in both arenas.

Lets face it, there is a big difference between the two in so far as the depth and area of knowledge. If I'm having chronic headaches, I'll see my chiro first and he'll fix me up.

If I'm pissing blood, I don't give a fuck what my chiro has to say. I want my physician to check me out. MD's look down on DC's. I can understand why to a point, but I think its smart to utilize all of the knowledge and different opinions that are available.

BTW, DocJ....what's the name of the DC (terry something?) who has written the text book that is chiro bible for teaching now. I sat in on one of his seminars and he is a douche bag. I don't care how smart he is.

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DocJ
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posted July 20, 2000 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
The standard chiro technique textbook ("bible" if you will) was written by three men named Bergmann, Peterson, and Lawrence (none with the first name Terry), two of which are DC/MD's. This is the text used by all but a couple chiro schools.

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weez
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posted July 20, 2000 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for weez   Click Here to Email weez     Edit/Delete Message
Damn I wish I could remember his name. (but it's not either of those guys) The guy is very respected in the field, a pioneer in brigding the gap between MD & DC's because of his knowledge of radiology and reading films. Oh well. Off the topic anyway.

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DocJ
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posted July 20, 2000 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
Terry Yolkum...yup he wrote the radiology textbook with several contributing authors that is used in virtually every single chiro school AND every single Med school.

Yes, he's definately a character.

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sick viking
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posted July 20, 2000 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sick viking     Edit/Delete Message
How many years does it take to become an MD in America? In Norway it`s 6 years in college.

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posted July 20, 2000 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
What the fuck does this have to do with bodybuilding?

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MS
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posted July 20, 2000 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
Don't forget that many board members here do not live in the USA, and whatever standards for chiros exist there may have nothing to do with chiro qualifications in other countries. I wouldn't trust any of you (MD/chiro) as far as I can throw you unless I know you personally.

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davbrucas
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posted July 21, 2000 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davbrucas   Click Here to Email davbrucas     Edit/Delete Message
I think I can enlighten most people here about chiropractors; DC's are like dentists, they ALL wanted to go to medical school (cream of the crop) but either did poorly in undergrad, did horribly on the MCAT, or were just too lazy to go thru the admissions process. They therefore took the easier way, Chiro-school and dental school (or the dreaded PA school). I, as you probably know am an MD. I do not look down on DC's, at least they had the desire to work in the medical field. But everyone knows that when you think about chiropractics, you do not equate it with conventional medicine. Society can do without DC, but cannot do w/o MD's. To challenge the idea that chiropractors do better on medicine-related tests than do MD's I say that the MD's must have obtained their degree by correspondence! If this opinion offends anyone here, I am sorry. It is an opinion, nothing more...If you are offended by this, then maybe what I say is true...the truth hurts!!!!! -doc

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for a list and pricing e-mail me at

[email protected]

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posted July 21, 2000 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eramthgin   Click Here to Email Eramthgin     Edit/Delete Message
Damn dave that is cruel. How do you feel about DO's my niece is in her third year now. Couldn't get into the MD school scores were fine but she seems to have a skin disorder.

I like to play doctor does that count?

:-) :-> :-0=

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posted July 21, 2000 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ripp   Click Here to Email ripp     Edit/Delete Message
It is not cruel, it is reality in our medical profession. As far as DO, they are well qualified, just did not score as well on the MCAT.

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posted July 21, 2000 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davbrucas   Click Here to Email davbrucas     Edit/Delete Message
Not trying to be cruel, just pointing out another twisted fact that Americans put an enormous emphasis on labels...MD's just happen to be the career that has gained respect and notoriety (well deserved I might add) from the public. People equate the medical career as almost unattainable for the average person. In medicine, you need more stamina than intelligence. There is SO MUCH info, that it is impossible to memorize...you must get good at sorting out what is and is not important. Most people who are DO's had the aspiration of attending medical school, but somewhere along the line they gave up on their dream, or just didnt have the qualifications. That is just my opinion.

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posted July 21, 2000 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gettinhard   Click Here to Email Gettinhard     Edit/Delete Message
bro i have a PHD in Pimpology!!!!!!

call me DR. Pimp

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posted July 21, 2000 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoviceJuicer     Edit/Delete Message
Well I think I will jump into the fray before steam runs out.

As far as MD's being more "intelligent". my brother graduated at the top of his class at johns Hopkins and is the only board certified trauma orthopedist in the state he lives in. Many other ways he excells. But he is not as intelligent as I (the Chiropractor) when using the bench mark - an IQ test. The idea that MOST people can't become doctors and lawyers is hogwash.

Several of you feel you can determine WHY people become chiropractors - "because they did not do well on MCATS, etc". How can you be certain WHY everyone wanted to be dentists and Chiropractors. Your ignorance is only outshined by your pompousness. I never had a desire to go the MD route.

No doubt there is a need for medicine (emergencies and trauma). But educated people are beginning to realize how miserably medicine fails at doing ANYTHING about chronic diseases - heart disease, diabetes etc. The Journal of the American medical Association has openly declared that medical intervention is patch up for heart disease at best-only diet and lifestyle changes can create lasting change (an area Chiropractors have excelled for decades). Diabetes costs the US Gov't over 1/4 of the entire Medicare budget. Yet most of the serious sequelae can be controlled through diet and lifestyle. In fact the commonly prescribed oral meds only serve to increase the risk of cardiac mortality.

As far as your roomate being a Chiropractor and not having had advanced organic chem - sorry thats a lie. I don't know if you are lying or he is lying to you about his credentials. But that is a lie.

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posted July 22, 2000 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoviceJuicer     Edit/Delete Message
I know this may offend some, but I cannot resist a tongue in cheek post based on some of the posts above by Ripp and others. of course there is more truth to this than many MD's would care to admit to themselves.

Everyone who wants to be an MD does so because they dream of big money, girls and prestige. However in school and residency they have no time for girls other than hookers. By the time they graduate they are usually married to some apsiring JAP (Jewish American Princess) that spread her legs so she could become Mrs. DOCTOR Abramowitz. His prestige as a MD is marred by the fact that he has to take orders from many in the hospital including the lowly medical records technicians who can remove his admitting priveleges for repeated infractions of not dotting the "I"s on his transcripts. The dream of big money quickly tarnishes as the reality of accepting a job for $80,000 a year sets in. But luckily with the advent of easy credit he can use his credit card and other resources to look rich, by piling debt on top of the $300,000 of student loans he has. That is one reason why it is disclosed in the best selling book THE MILLIONAIRE NEXT DOOR that one of the least likely income earners in the USA to become a PAW (prestigious accumulater of wealth) is the MD. MD's who typically live beyond their means are one of the least likely to accumulate a high net worth.

Perhaps for big money they ought to talk to Moe Dank and set up a business on the side.

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posted July 22, 2000 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ripp   Click Here to Email ripp     Edit/Delete Message
not bad nj, but i would bet your bro would say otherwise. I still put chiros right around the same level as a PA. There is also a reason why you have minimal and i mean minimal prescriptive authority. And again, you do have a place in medical community. And many people swear by chiropractors. That is great. Lets just all be friends, OK?

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Let me put a different spin on this. I am an RN that works in a hospital setting (surgical unit) and deal (obviously) alot with MD's.
An MD has far more training in PATHOLOGY but far less(almost zero) in biomechanics and nutrition. If your back hurts (as mine often has) you are foolish to go to an Internal Medcine MD or even an orthopod. Why?
Well here's why. What will an MD do. Prescribe some anti inflamatories(maybe narcotics if the pain is severe) and tell you to rest/don't do activities that irritate the affected area. After this doesnt work an X ray may or may not be taken. Physical therapy may be ordered by an MD. I am not knocking physical therapy. In reality it is essential to recover. However if your vertebrae are SUBLUXATED and pushing on a nerve the pressure needs RELEASED. How does this happen? By an MD? By a PT? NO!!!!!!!!!! By a GOOD D.C. adjusting you and getting your bones back into place and then physical therapy helping to keep them there.
To all you who think chiropractors are voodoo doctors-well I guess when you are enough pain maybe you'll understand.
To close chiropractors are a godsend but I think the purpose was a comparison-you cant compare a DC to neurosurgeon-thats not feasible

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NoviceJuicer
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posted July 22, 2000 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoviceJuicer     Edit/Delete Message
Ripp, I amazed that people who consider themselves intelligent make so many assumptions. You state "I bet your brother would feel otherwise". My brother was in residency at Johns Hopkins Med school when I was in Chiropractic school. He was interested in our curriculum (which I shared with him) and he also toured our facilities. he was favorably impressed enough with it that he did a grand rounds talk at Johns Hopkins in favor of our education. He felt MD's (like yourself? - but I am assuming here)ought to realize that the Chiropractic education was not of poor quality.

There are some significant differences between a medical and chiropractic education. And some deficiencies to both. As mentioned by someone in this thread previously, medical school to a large degree is a hazing process that consists of memorizing vast amounts of medical trivia of no real value ("Yersenia Pestus, commonly known as the bubonic plague, is transmitted by a flea that travels on the back of the rodent species known as ratus ratus. Not to be confused with ratus norwegiecus" - this is an exact quote I remember from a discussion with my brother regarding education at Johns Hopkins). I will not give what I feel are deficienies of Chiropractic school here as I am smart enough not to give ammo to my enemies.

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NoviceJuicer
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posted July 22, 2000 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoviceJuicer     Edit/Delete Message
Davbrucas..... now here is the dude who pisses me off. You state that "everyone who is in dental school or Chiropractic school either : 1) did poorly in undergrad school 2) did bad on the MCAT 3)Was too lazy to go through the admission process"

Now how in the hell do you know that? You say you are a resident, which presumes some modicum of intelligence, and yet you make such a large and erroneous presumption? Tell me how you know the reason why I became a chiropractor?

I graduated undergrad with a 3.75. My IQ is much higher than my MD brother. Johns Hopkins med school does not even require the MCAT. And where the fuck do you get off calling me lazy you stupid piece of shit?

I am a Chiropractor and the overgeneralized reasons you give as to why you ignorantly feel EVERYONE becomes a dentist or Chiropractor do not reflect the truth of life but reflect your own cultivated prejudice, narrow mindedness and lack of understanding. is it any wonder medical errors are the largest killer in the USA today? Is it any wonder that hospital prescriptions alone are the 4th leading cause of death (just behind heart disease, cancer and stroke) - with roughly 7 times as many people dying from these hospital prescriptions per year as from AIDS?

While you are burning your professional crosses and feeling ever so elite (calling yourself the "cream of the crop") - let me know if you ever want to compare academic achievements, standardized test scores or financial net worth.

Now if you will excuse me I will get back to readying my lakefront property and pool in my luxury home (one of the biggest houses and properties in the whole city) for the party I am throwing tonight, while you get back to your bed pans you "cream of the crop" $50,000/year medical resident.

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Bjaarki
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posted July 22, 2000 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bjaarki   Click Here to Email Bjaarki     Edit/Delete Message
You know, a couple of centuries ago, the University of Paris was conferring Ph.D.'s when "physicians" were still working out of barber shops.

I always get a kick out of MD's feeling they're so elite. Most schools of medicine accept, what, 10 percent, 20 percent of their applicants? Hell, selection ratios are much tougher (I mean MUCH TOUGHER) than that in many Ph.D. programs in the natural and behavioral sciences, and there are some professions that many MD's look down on (like veterinary medicine) that most MD's could never get into in a million years, the selection standards are so high, classes so small, etc!

This thread is quickly turning into a flame fest. Sorry for my part in it, but some people around here need taken down a peg or two, IMO.

Bjaarki

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GreatOne
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posted July 22, 2000 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GreatOne   Click Here to Email GreatOne     Edit/Delete Message
one of my friends moms is a nurse and she gets us all the needles we want, plus when we strain something she will inject us with depomederal or some shit that sound like that.

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ripp
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posted July 22, 2000 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ripp   Click Here to Email ripp     Edit/Delete Message
lets have a fight to see who is the best.
hahahaha

I hear this same shit all the time. And its not all with chiros. Its with PAs, nurses, ARNPs, opticians (haha), optometrists, Vets (who by the way..if can gain entrance, that alone is very impressive), pharmacists, etc. Nobody is any better than the other. They all have their place in the medical profession. I personally am a doctor, but not a medical doctor. I have a degree in pharmacology/Toxicology. I work in the pharmaceutical industry as well as in the clinical setting. I am no better than anyone else here, as are you no better than I. We have all made some good points here...hopefully this discussion is over.

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THESAINT
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posted July 22, 2000 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for THESAINT   Click Here to Email THESAINT     Edit/Delete Message
I would just like to say that regardless of
personal prejudices I am impressed with the
amount of knowledgable and informed brothers
on this board. All your input is welcomed and needed for a board of this caliber to succeed.

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adamsandlr
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posted July 22, 2000 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adamsandlr   Click Here to Email adamsandlr     Edit/Delete Message
I am a licensed animal tech

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DocJ
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posted July 22, 2000 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
Ripp, chiropractic = natural health care.
No prescriptive authority is the point.

N.J. said it all, I think it's time to get back to juice talk...hehe.

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Zeacky
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posted July 23, 2000 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zeacky   Click Here to Email Zeacky     Edit/Delete Message
NoviceJuicer, SHIT MAN, YOU DESCRIBED MY DAD TO THE MINUTE DETAIL, being an MD and all. IT WOULD SUCK TO BE HIM WITH ALL THAT DAMN DEBT AND STRESS FROM THE DAMN MEDI-CAL AND MEDICARE CUTBACKS ON THE SURGERIES HE DOES!!!!! FUCKEN CONGRESS SHOULD SHOVE IT UP THEIR ASS!!!!!!!

Sorry about that, your post hit a nerve with me.

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