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Curious
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted July 18, 2000 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Curious     Edit/Delete Message
Do You Have an Eating Disorder? If You Are a Dedicated Bodybuilder, Some
Shrinks Think You Do!
By Bryan Haycock
Email: [email protected]

When you think of eating disorders you may typically think of anorexia
(Def: Refusal to eat anything until you are extremely thin and
malnourished) or bulimia (Def: Eat all you want then go in the bathroom
and make yourself throw up until you are thin and malnourished). Recently
some Harvard docs have decided its time to define yet another eating
disorder, a disorder specifically seen in one particular population,
bodybuilders. You may have been aware that we bodybuilders have qualified
on several criteria (DSM-IV) for eating disorders like anorexia or even
bulimia. Certainly our preoccupation with food has led some
researchers/therapists to think of us as having "issues" with food. Now
they are sure we have a problem and want to help us by clearly defining
it. They call this new type of eating disorder, "Eating Disorder,
Bodybuilder-Type" or simply ED, BT.

According to the proposal by the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard
Medical School, ED, BT is characterized by "rigid adherence to a
high-calorie, high-protein, low-fat diet that is consumed in the form of
pre-prepared meals and supplements eaten at regularly scheduled intervals.
Women with this disorder frequently refused to eat out at restaurants or
at friends' houses because of their need to be certain that they were
ingesting the precise amounts of calories, protein, fat and carbohydrates
that they believed necessary to maintain their physique."

These Harvard docs said that individuals with this disorder are known to
routinely prepare all of their meals for the day in advance, packaging
precisely measured quantities of specific foods (lean chicken or fish with
steamed vegetables) in small containers to be consumed at prescribed hours
throughout the day. They go further to report that if their eating routine
was disrupted, individuals with ED, BT typically experience "intense
anxiety", and often engage in compensatory behaviors such as eating a
protein bar to substitute for a missed meal.

Your probably thinking I made this up but I assure you, these people are
dead serious about defining this new eating disorder. Here are the
specific criteria used to identify an individual with ED, BT:

(1) Refusal to maintain body fat at a healthy level (defined in women as
the level necessary for normal menstrual cycles to take place) accompanied
by a desire to maximize muscle mass.

(2) Intense fear of gaining fat or losing muscle, even though body fat is
below normal, as defined above, and degree of muscularity is far above
average.

(3) Strict adherence to a rigid diet with at least 2 of the following
features:
(a) At least 5 meals per day, consumed on a regular schedule, for example
every 3 hours.

(b) Meals all consist of high-calorie, high-protein, low-fat foods or food
supplements.

(c) A significant amount of time and money is spent acquiring, preparing
and eating these specialized meals.

(4) Disturbance in the way in which one's body composition is experienced
or undue influence of body appearance on self-evaluation.

(5) Social and occupational opportunities are frequently given up because
they interfere with the composition or timing of meals.

There you have it, the definition of this bizarre bodybuilding eating
disorder. You would think that they would classify the eating habits the
average sedentary overweight person as a disorder. After all, their eating
habits lead to chronic disease and premature death. I don't know about you
but I am proud to have this new eating disorder, bodybuilder type that is!

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jdismukes
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posted July 18, 2000 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jdismukes   Click Here to Email jdismukes     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, I'm all fucked up.

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Big Buck
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posted July 18, 2000 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Big Buck   Click Here to Email Big Buck     Edit/Delete Message
I have an eating disorder...this post just reminded me, it's time for my mid morning snack....

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FitnessChick
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posted July 18, 2000 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FitnessChick   Click Here to Email FitnessChick     Edit/Delete Message
f'n amazing- they bash us for wanting to be healthy people.

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5setsofsix
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posted July 18, 2000 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 5setsofsix   Click Here to Email 5setsofsix     Edit/Delete Message
It's really scary that anybody that doesnt fit the mold is considered to have a problem. Next the government is going to pick up on this and regulate the meal replacement industry. If you ask me the people that have a diet of pizza, burgers, fries and cokes are the ones with a disorder.

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ajc1977
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posted July 18, 2000 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
I have it. It's called Idontwannabeapencilneckaphobia.

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Green
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posted July 18, 2000 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Green   Click Here to Email Green     Edit/Delete Message
The only disorder I have is I like to eat too much. What's wrong with a 24oz. steak? I don't get it. Later, Green

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newbie2bebig
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posted July 18, 2000 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for newbie2bebig   Click Here to Email newbie2bebig     Edit/Delete Message
These doctors are what Medical Anthropologists call "Normative Judges" -- people who decide for us what is Normal. These people include Judges, Policeman, Teachers, Doctors and Psychologists.

Foucault has written extensively on the topic of inventing new diseases in his books like "The History of Sexuality" and "Birth of the Clinic"

Now that it is a 'disease', can a 'cure' be far behind?

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Bjaarki
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posted July 18, 2000 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bjaarki   Click Here to Email Bjaarki     Edit/Delete Message
Bro's, don't get all bent out of shape about this ED/BT bullshit. This idea has been around for a long time (previously called "Anorexia Athletica") and has never gone anywhere, in terms of being picked up and seriously advocated by the psychiatric community. It won't go anywhere this time, either. Believe me, I know more about this kind of thing than anyone else on this board, and I say not to worry.

Bjaarki

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high under Heaven, the hero's name." - Hrolf Krakki's Saga (Iceland)

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buckydingdong
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posted July 18, 2000 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for buckydingdong   Click Here to Email buckydingdong     Edit/Delete Message
I don't mean to challenge the previous post, but I thought athletica-anorexia was when someone used excessive exercise to reach/maintain a level of desired thinness/malnourishment.

we aren't going for thinness, nor do most of us exercise excessively. A lot of this matter is related to a persons viewpoint. But yea, it would really surprise me also if this made any sort of impact in the bodybuilding community.

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Bossman
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posted July 18, 2000 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bossman   Click Here to Email Bossman     Edit/Delete Message
This is such bullshit. It's not a damn eating disorder, it's called discipline. The guys who wrote this are probably some pencil neck geeks who still have it out for us guys who were jocks in high school and pissed off that we still get all the chicks.
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Puc
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posted July 18, 2000 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Puc   Click Here to Email Puc     Edit/Delete Message
speaking from experience...

that is NOT an eating disorder.

Puc

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Fish
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posted July 18, 2000 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fish   Click Here to Email Fish     Edit/Delete Message
I used to eat all the time, and not lift. Now I eat all the time, healthy, and lift... now they want to say I have a disorder???? Well I guess I am a reble too, cause I don't give a shit what they say. No one needs to sit around all the time and name other peoples habits... I think that is a disorder.

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Bjaarki
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted July 18, 2000 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bjaarki   Click Here to Email Bjaarki     Edit/Delete Message
Bossman:

This idea, according to Curious, comes out of Harvard. I don't know if this is out of Harrison Pope's shop there, but it may be, since he does a lot of work on what he's calling "The Adonis Complex," which very much applies to BB, and would probably DEEPLY piss you off. Pope's no pencilneck, though. The man lifts 2 hours a day and squats 400 plus. Not bad for a busy academic.

Buckydingdong is partially right about the Anorexia Athletica thing. It applies as much to BB, though, as to malnourishment.

Still, it's all a bunch of bullshit. Bear in mind that, for most illnesses to be accepted as illnesses by the psychiatric community, they must imply either (a) subjective distress, or (b) significant impairment in social, occupational, or physical functioning. ED/BT fails this, and, as I say, won't go anywhere.

A final thought to chew on, in reference to Curious's first post: "...but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience...To be 'cured' against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level with those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will."

From C.S. Lewis "The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment" (1949)

Take care, all.

Bjaarki


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"'Til the weard of the world, stands, unforgotten,
high under Heaven, the hero's name." - Hrolf Krakki's Saga (Iceland)

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pillboy
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posted July 18, 2000 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pillboy   Click Here to Email pillboy     Edit/Delete Message
Doctors will also tell you that you are obese. They take your height, age, weight and gender. He told me for me I was 30lbs over weight. Yes, I found another doc fast!!!!

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posted July 18, 2000 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ---==\S/==---   Click Here to Email ---==\S/==---     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35410287
Boy oh boy then i guess since i do eat food i must be a eating maniac or since i workout there must be a obsesive disorder i have. Few understand our life styles, but you know what i don't care with out sacrafices you can't reach your goals. Hence the reason for eating properly to maximize muscle gains or whatever we diet. That was some Fucked up shit posted.

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newbie2bebig
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posted July 18, 2000 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for newbie2bebig   Click Here to Email newbie2bebig     Edit/Delete Message
Bjaarki -- thanks for the excellent CS Lewis quote!

Also, did you guys notice a few days ago that AOL had as its top story "big-orexia"? About guys who, in spite of their 54" chest and 31" waist still think that they are too small.

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Fukkenshredded
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posted July 18, 2000 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fukkenshredded   Click Here to Email Fukkenshredded     Edit/Delete Message
Ogliographobiological determinia/categoria reductionism--"The overwhelming compulsion for the inferior to attempt to categorize, and therefore diminish, the superior."---Fukkenshredded

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Twisted_Steel
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posted July 18, 2000 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twisted_Steel   Click Here to Email Twisted_Steel     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 754174
I speak for the rest of the meatheads here when I SAY, WHOOOHOO who gives a flying fuck. THE DSMV-IV says we have an eating disorder, we as bodybuilders are obsessive and compulsive by nature. We obsess about bettering ourselves and some of us even have "MEGOREXIA" (Muscledysmorphia).
I thank god ever day, I fell in love with bodybuilding, its neuances, peculiarities, and idiosyncyracies.

SAY IT WITH ME MEATHEADS, I HAVE AN EATING DISORDER, AND IM NOT AFRAID TO ADMIT IT.


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jawoak
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posted July 18, 2000 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jawoak   Click Here to Email jawoak     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry guys, but i have to vent a little bit here.......WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess their sorry little asses sitting around and eating a couple of cafeteria meals or stopping at Mcdonalds is healthy. what a crock of shit!

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Jay Z
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posted July 18, 2000 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Z   Click Here to Email Jay Z     Edit/Delete Message
couldn't agree more...

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kram696969
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posted July 18, 2000 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kram696969   Click Here to Email kram696969     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 15497701
i also agree

kram-mark
just do'in my best...

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~Goku~
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posted July 18, 2000 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ~Goku~     Edit/Delete Message
My physician informed me I was considerably overweight. I laughed to myself, thought about what he think after I finish my next cycle.
Also I say again. In what kind of country do you Americans live. From what I have learned of America I thought you had a democratic government with all these great freedoms. But, father government is always seems to look down upon the people and say no you can't do this because it is not good for you or pass some new law only to help people who seem unable to take responsibility for his/her own actions.
In my opinion, if a person wants to do something even if the action will kill this person. Why not. Has anyone ever heard of Darwins theory "Survival of the fittest."
Let the ignorant people of your society kill themselves and help clean up the gene pool.
~Goku~

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Flex
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posted July 18, 2000 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Flex   Click Here to Email Flex     Edit/Delete Message
Then consider this place our support group..

My name is Flex, and I have an eating disorder..

he he he

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giantset
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posted July 18, 2000 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for giantset   Click Here to Email giantset     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 81476890
Goku, I have been preaching that exact philosophy for years. The damn conservatives want to protect us from our selves and the damn liberals want to protect us from each other. Pretty soon it will be against the law to do anything that might offend or upset anyone else. It seems pretty far fetched but the US moves closer to that everyday.

Anyways, screw this stupid new catagory for bodybuilders. It's docs like this that came up with the messed up food pyramid in the first place and also said that steroids do not increase anabolism.

Later,
giantset

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evissam
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posted July 18, 2000 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for evissam   Click Here to Email evissam     Edit/Delete Message
Whatever! Who gives a rat's ass what other people think? I'd like to see what some of those "shrinks" eat and what they look like.

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MS
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posted July 18, 2000 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
I also need support with my disorder. I'm already 19 minutes late for my next pre-prepared feed, but I can't seem to tear myself away from the board long enough to get it in me. I don't know which affliction to deal with first. Sigh.

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sour jerk
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posted July 18, 2000 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sour jerk   Click Here to Email sour jerk     Edit/Delete Message
thanx for reminding me..its time for my 7th meal...
sour jerkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
all that test makes me hungry like a mofo........

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Decaman
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posted July 18, 2000 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Decaman   Click Here to Email Decaman     Edit/Delete Message
Those doctors are a bunch of fat fucks with out a shred of dicisipline ( did I spell that right) I gurantee it. As far as what they said, that describes me to a tee, especially the anxiety about the timing of eating and food in general, I am sure alot of you can also relate, eating disorder my ass. I guess if we ate pizza everyday at a different time that would be more beneficial.

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juiced
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posted July 19, 2000 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juiced   Click Here to Email juiced     Edit/Delete Message
Mmmm steak and green salad, mmmm. No just kidding, but I believe in eating well and being healthy. Fuck if I am going to fast or go hungry man my fucking belly is starving.

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gamer
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posted July 19, 2000 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gamer   Click Here to Email gamer     Edit/Delete Message
Written by a true lazy fat ass....hehee

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Komo
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posted July 19, 2000 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Komo   Click Here to Email Komo     Edit/Delete Message
I think it might become a disorder in some individuals. I personally fit the definition above, and I think I would have a hard time going without food for say 6-7 hours, I would feel like shit mentally.
Don`t get me wrong, it`s nothing like anorexia but it still is a disorder!

/Komo

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rippazoid
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posted July 19, 2000 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rippazoid   Click Here to Email rippazoid     Edit/Delete Message
cool post. now pass the fucking chicken!

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DocJ
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posted July 19, 2000 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DocJ   Click Here to Email DocJ     Edit/Delete Message
I think........................


Oh sorry, it was time for some chicken and rice and I had to leave my computer to go prepare it.


...........shrinks are very creative at naming different "conditions."

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Kimmy
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posted July 19, 2000 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimmy     Edit/Delete Message
I personally find something interesting in this. Coming from a "teenhood" anorexia problem, I believe I developped compulsive eating habits. Now, however, they are for the better, I beleieve.
But I do experience extreme anxiety if I find myself somewhere without proper food for a few hours. I hate eating out with people from work, they don't understand. Also, If I go away for the day, I must pack enough food for a week's supply. I refuse dinner invitations. Anyone else??

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brumans2
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posted July 19, 2000 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for brumans2   Click Here to Email brumans2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 28279372
haha.. funny.
they obviously have NO idea what there talking about.

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MS
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posted July 19, 2000 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
I work in a lab that does a lot of Psych research, so I printed that article and passed it around to everyone. They all had a great laugh with me, because they know me well enough to see that I am merely more disciplined and more focused on my goals than the average person, as well as being 'chronically healthy' with a good looking body. Many wished that they could make themselves follow such a healthy lifestyle rather than rushing out the door in the morning and grabbing muffins and burgers whenever they feel an urge to eat.

WTF???? All sorts of people plan their finances in extreme detail, or their next vacation, or thier gardens etc....Whatever they're into. Planning something as fundamental as your daily nutrition can't possibly be a bad thing. But it is true that some people obsess over it, and that's NOT a good thing.

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