posted July 17, 2000 12:58 AM            

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" SOMETIMES THE MOST OBVIOUS IS THE UNOBVIOUS"

posted July 17, 2000 04:43 PM            

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If it doesn't hurt getting it, then it's not worth having...

Work With Your Back And With Your Brain

posted July 17, 2000 07:49 PM            

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DECA-IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER

posted July 17, 2000 08:58 PM            

C'mon do you know how much gyno surgery costs? Don't you realise that it will effect your training?

posted July 17, 2000 11:15 PM            

I said you made a stupid comment. You are saying that I am stupid. There is a big difference.

posted July 17, 2000 11:35 PM            

I say to get your strength up, you have to lift heavy. No doubt about it. If anyone tells you anything different, they are lying. (Except for maybe ading some gear.).

If you want to gain strength, go heavy, 3 sets of 5 reps, go 4 reps if you want. Take 3-4-5 minutes between each set. That will give you more recoup.

I am only 5'10", 5'9 3/4" w/o shoes. I weigh 230#. My bf % is onlty 11%.

What I lift is no concerne. It is alot and more then 95% of the guys at my gym.

The best feeling in the world is watching those little cutes guys working out with 275#, grabbing the bench next to them, do a quick warm up set, listen to them moan and groan, load up the bar, listen to the weights around me stop clanging, grab a spotter and pound out big heavy sets and get up and look at the room stare at you. Then a guy says', thats real good weight, i look at him and say, I am getting there, throw on some more weight and keep going.

Now that is cool. Sorry, bro, lost track a minute. Just go heavy, get a spotter and make sure to force a couple extra, you will grow. Add some gear for mass and you WILL grow.

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posted July 17, 2000 11:38 PM            

How much you bench?

How much you Dead?

posted July 17, 2000 11:52 PM            

Deadlift? I have never done them. Maybe I will try. I'll probally blow out my back.

My bench is good. i am proud of it. All time bests for me. I generally do sets with 335-345. Usually 5-6 reps.
Then I go up by 10# increments until I fail. After the sets it is generally 385#.

I then do 2 sets of 225@10-12. Generally 10.Then goto the decline and do 3 good sets of 6-8 of whatever I can lift. Then I do triceps because they get a pump from the benching.

My personal best last thursday evening at the gym was 450#. Believe it or not. For me it is good. At my gym it is excellent. It used to be 430#.

So, for you it may not be alot, but, for me it is.

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posted July 18, 2000 12:16 AM            

If you want to get power, you have to go heavy, if you can do 10 reps for 5 sets, you are not going heavy enough.

Try to increase weight on the exercise, whatever it may be, to get your reps down to a good 5-6. Do 3 good sets with about 4 minutes between them. If you still feel strong when done, go up again for 3 or 2 reps.

The fact is, lighter weight @ high reps= definition.

Heavy @ lower= srength/power.

At 21 years old, you should be able to grow I figure.

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posted July 18, 2000 01:08 AM            

Once again, I don't really know how he reached these conclusions. Don't expect to fall neatly into these measurements (I'm willing to bet that very few actually do). But, you asked, so I'm providing what little bit I know.
You mentioned that your lifts are low. I don't know anything about you, so I cannot agree or disagree with you there. What I can tell you is to forget most of this "inner chest-outer thigh sweep-full muscle bellies-lower lats" bullshit, and concentrate on getting big and strong. I think it's admirable that you want to be "perfectly in proportion", but if you are worried about your lifts being very weak, then you really should not concentrate on proportion right now. You should concentrate on taking your much mass and strength as far as you can. This means concentrating on the big moves (not just deadlifts, and not three times a week), and eating heftily.
On to the juice. Regardless of all the misinformation about steroids, they can be taken safely. But it would be a HUGE mistake for you to even think about taking gear right now. Based on the question you just asked, I can tell you that you don�t know enough about the game to EVEN consider taking them. You are right, you should wait at least a couple of years before contemplating that option. This is not meant to be a flame to anybody here, but steroids have largely gotten a bad reputation because some people are not willing to put the time to learn what it takes to get big and strong. In this thread alone I read a lot of irresponsible behavior regarding anabolics. And these are some of the more knowledgeable users out there. As well, there is plenty of good info here.
In any case, it ultimately boils down to what someone else posted:

posted July 18, 2000 02:58 AM            

Im 18, 6'1 1/2, 224lbs.

Squat: 225x6 (just started squating a month ago so it really sux)
Stiff Leg Deadlifts: 285x6
Angled Leg Press: 545x6
Bench Press: 245x5
Incline Bench Press: 205x5
Curl: 90x5
Skullcrushers: 100x5

posted July 18, 2000 05:14 AM         

If it's pure strength and a good body you are after, go for Winstrol jabs, Anavar and Primobolan these roids in my opinion are the best strength promoters and will give you a very defined physique. Ok they will not make you huge, but they will make your muscles hard as rock espesiaclly the Winstrol. I have not tried Para yet although I hear it makes you strong as hell too. Ok a lot of guy's out there will tell you these are women's roids and no good for mass, but then I know some amateur and pro women who would probably out lift many of the guy's on this board including myself. How many guy's do you know who can do body weight curls?

posted July 18, 2000 05:10 PM            

Glenbenton, listen to Fukkenshredded

He is correct.