posted July 16, 2000 12:23 PM            

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I recently had several consultations with one of the leading endrocinologists in the U.S. After discussing the effects of AS and and ways of combating the side effects, he spoke of a herb that worked better than clomid. The herb he spoke of is MACA. I have tried both Maca and Clomid and will honestly say MACA works very well. It would be hard for me to say it works better than clomid, simply based on my own experiences, but I would say MACA blows tribulus out of the water. I used MACA at the end of cycles with good success. I like to use clomid for 2 weeks following th eend of a cycle then start MACA up for a few weeks. If you have a bad case of shrivel sack you could stack both.

MACA is dirt cheap and it has been around as long as dirt. Give it a try I think you will be very impressed. There are numerous studies on it's efficacy. Do a search.

You can order at http://www.maca-maka.com/

but the cheapest place I have found is nutramedix.com

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posted July 16, 2000 12:29 PM            

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I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised by the efficacy of MACA. MACA has recieved very little hype, and that is why it's an unknown to so many.

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posted July 16, 2000 01:20 PM            

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posted July 16, 2000 01:23 PM            

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Good info bro, could come in handy especially for some bros who can't find clomid

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posted July 16, 2000 01:52 PM            

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Sounds worth a try..I make it a habit to stay away from gear that is prone to shut down test production completely so this might do well for me. I would still use clomid on a heavy mass cycle but this could be a good application to the end of a cut cycle.

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posted July 16, 2000 02:00 PM            

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good info...

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posted July 16, 2000 02:37 PM         

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Interesting, I might give it a shot because clomid makes me break out like crazy. Thanks bro-

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posted July 16, 2000 02:45 PM            

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posted July 16, 2000 04:20 PM            

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T,
I didn't really notice any side effects with the MACA. I too break out when using clomid.

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posted July 16, 2000 04:29 PM            

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Good post bro.

get big or get out

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posted July 16, 2000 04:58 PM            

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Is there any reason to think that using this product to increase Test levels not lowered by the use of AS? I have read about it being a libido booster, but never as a body building supplement.
Crash

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posted July 16, 2000 05:05 PM            

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Crash,
you have to look at the mechanism it works by. It effects libido, via an increase in LH. You have yet to hear about as a bodybuilding supplement b/c they bodybuilding supplement industry has yet to jump on it. I remember someone reccomending creatine to me over 10 years ago, I didn't pay much attention to it b/c creatine wasn't yet in the lime-light.......now look at it. American's have always been persuaded by hype, it is our nature.

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posted July 16, 2000 05:06 PM            

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Is there any reason to think that using this product to increase Test levels not lowered by the use of AS? I have read about it being a libido booster, but never as a body building supplement.
Crash

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posted July 16, 2000 05:31 PM            

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Sorry for the dual post.
I don't know if LH which I assume is leutinizing (sp) hormone has any effect as far as bodybuilding goes, does it?
Crash

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posted July 16, 2000 05:37 PM            

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THANKS FOR THE INFO, I WILL CHECK IT OUT.

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posted July 16, 2000 05:43 PM            

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Bump? The q about BB use of LH? Thanks

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posted July 16, 2000 05:50 PM            

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MORE LH MAY BE PRODUCED BUT IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY NOTICEBLE GAINS.

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posted July 16, 2000 07:01 PM            

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MACA will increase production of LH (lutenizing hormone) in men. LH is secreted form the pituitary gland and transmits instructions directly to the testes to naturally increase the body�s own production of testosterone.

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posted July 16, 2000 07:04 PM            

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where can u get it?

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posted July 16, 2000 09:16 PM            

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Read above, I left 2 internet addresses.

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posted July 16, 2000 09:24 PM         

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Sounds like a good potential stock investment...always thinking of making more money...

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posted July 16, 2000 10:27 PM            

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posted July 16, 2000 11:08 PM            

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I bought a case of MACA from nutramedix.com at wholesale pricing. I believe it was around $7 a bottle.......dirt cheap!!!

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posted July 16, 2000 11:34 PM            

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How many capsules a day should this be used? Should it be used during the cycle or at the very end?? Thanks

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posted July 16, 2000 11:40 PM            

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I aim to anger no loyal fans of clomid, I too have much loyalty for clomid. But we are always trying to learn more, so I have offered this info so others can benefit. Below you will find a typical cycle for myself.

12 weeks AS w/clomid EOD
2-3 weeks following cycle I would up the clomid to 100 mg ED, then taper the clomid and fire up the MACA. If you can't find clomid use MACA in it's stead. If your sack is really blowing in the wind, you could use both. I can promise you that MACA blows tribulus out of the water.

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posted July 16, 2000 11:57 PM         

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Thanks for the update.

If you talk to him again could you ask him about another similar herb called Muira Puama? Thanks

[This message has been edited by NoviceJuicer (edited July 16, 2000).]

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posted July 17, 2000 09:50 AM            

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Thanks for the info.

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posted July 17, 2000 12:18 PM         

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Hey montrosity, what's the ingredient list on the bottle say...milligrams, percentages, etc. I have found another product with maca in it and I would like to know how it compares.

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posted July 17, 2000 12:23 PM         

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Never mind....I found them.

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posted July 18, 2000 12:16 AM            

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I think it's risky to compare this Maca to Clomid without understanding the mechanism by which it works, assuming it works. This is because Clomid has another useful purpose in body-builders as a selective agonist and antagonist of estrogen (depending on target tissue). In addition to normalizing test production, Clomid taken after the end of a cycle will help prevent gyno, an important benefit at a time when estrogen is likely to be very high relative to test. I see no reason to think Maca offers this benefit.

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posted July 18, 2000 03:03 AM            

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Will it give a testosterone rise even if you do not have supressed LH throught the use of Anabolics? I mean will it work for the natural trainer to get testosterone up to high normal? I am yet to see any human studies and would like to see more info but they info is elusive, not a good sign. howveer i have gone out and bought a maca complex and will see what happens.

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posted July 18, 2000 05:01 AM            

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how much do you take a day??? how many mgs??

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posted July 18, 2000 02:56 PM            

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Just ordered some. Definately go with the nutramedix cite, MUCH cheaper.

Will this help restore ball size WHILE on a cycle?

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posted July 18, 2000 03:04 PM            

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This kind of post is the main reason I read this board. Once in a while someone posts a gem.

Good looking out.

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posted July 18, 2000 08:58 PM            

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I hope no one thinks that they are going to take MACA and get huge. That simply is not going to happen. I use MACA for support after a cycle of AS or during. If you don't use AS and just want to try some that is fine, but don't expect miracles. You should notice increase in energy and libido and along with those comes better training yielding gains. You will not get a huge lift from MACA, it is not AS. But like I said before it blows tribulus out of the water. Most tribulus sucks, but Tribestan seems to have a loyal following so I must beleive it is of far superior quality than the rest of the garbeage out there.

Throw MACA into your arsenal it is dirt cheap and it's efficacy has been proven throughout time.

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posted July 20, 2000 09:41 AM         

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big steroid induced bump, that is the cutting edge info, i like

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posted July 20, 2000 09:52 AM            

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Excellent post bro!

This is the reason we stay on Elite!

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posted July 20, 2000 11:19 AM            

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Nice post.

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posted July 20, 2000 11:45 AM            

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good one...

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posted July 20, 2000 02:24 PM            

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I'm a sucker for trying things, so I ordered 2 bottles from nutrimedix (2 days ago) and today I received 4 bottles via UPS. Two bottles for free!

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posted July 20, 2000 02:41 PM         

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Bruhs' as a chemist I can say with confidence that products claiming to boost test, which are derived from Mexican yams, have a sound scientific foundation. In the 40,s and 50,s chemists were using Mexican yams to produce steroids and there was multi million dollars business based on these yams. The industry collapsed when the Mexicans started price gouging and chemists found another reliable starting material for synthetical synthesis. Personally I am going to give MACA a shot. Excellent post
MONSTROSITY.

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posted July 20, 2000 02:42 PM         

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Bruhs' as a chemist I can say with confidence that products claiming to boost test, which are derived from Mexican yams, have a sound scientific foundation. In the 40's and 50's chemists were using Mexican yams to produce steroids and there was multi million dollars business based on these yams. The industry collapsed when the Mexicans started price gouging and chemists found another reliable starting material for synthetical synthesis. Personally I am going to give MACA a shot. Excellent post
MONSTROSITY.

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Bruhs' as a chemist I can say with confidence that products claiming to boost test, which are derived from Mexican yams, have a sound scientific foundation. In the 40's and 50's chemists were using Mexican yams to produce steroids and there was an international multi-million dollar business based on these yams. The industry collapsed when the Mexicans started price gouging and chemists found another reliable starting material for synthetical synthesis. Personally I am going to give MACA a shot. Excellent post MONSTROSITY.

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posted July 20, 2000 03:10 PM            

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I cant find clomid in the area that I live so is it ok to take MACA and Tribulis together??

I'm doing a mild cycle of sus250 for only 8 weeks @ 1 amp per week.

I'm planning on taking the Tribulis and MACA during my cycle, thats ok, right?

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