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Krusher
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posted July 15, 2000 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Krusher   Click Here to Email Krusher     Edit/Delete Message
Some people have brought up something worth at least discussing...if not trying. We all agree that test is the King of muscle-builders, so why not do a cycle of high dose test only ie 1-2 grams per week (inject every 3 days for the first 3-4 weeks so that the fast-acting prop is always active) for roughly 10 weeks then follow it with some Primo or Winny for 4-6 weeks to soldify the gains. Lots of Clomid and Nolva on hand of course. I'll bet the results would be very similar to more expensive and complex cycles.
Maybe we are making things too complicated, in the old days I'll bet guys kept it simple, just shooting lots of test.

Example

Sust..weeks1-8 @ 1500mg
Sust..week 9 @ 1000mg
Sust..week 10 @ 750 mg

Primo..weeks 11-14 @ 600mg
Primo..week 15 @ 300mg

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sour jerk
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posted July 15, 2000 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sour jerk   Click Here to Email sour jerk     Edit/Delete Message
thats what ive been trying to say,but ive been getting flamed for it..oh well to each is own..ill stick with my test anyways,i dont see the point in blowing my money on worthless shit..."i hardens me up,it fills me out,it gets me ripped",blah blah blah...
test the one and only,(maybealittlepinkstoo).
sourjerkkkkkkkkkkkkk? ? ????? ? ? ????? ???
"testosterone it makes a man out of bitches..
literally"....the sour jerk....

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300 kleen
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posted July 15, 2000 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 300 kleen   Click Here to Email 300 kleen     Edit/Delete Message
This is an age old question. And, there are always mixed opinions.

Test is good for mass, and in some instances cutting, but there are a lot of other AS's that should be part of our arsenal.

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300 kleen


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sour jerk
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posted July 15, 2000 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sour jerk   Click Here to Email sour jerk     Edit/Delete Message
test is always good for cutting,what do you mean in some instances?
test in a cutting cycle is the only way to preserve lbm,while losing bf and still eat plenty of calories and maybe even gain a few more pounds of lbm....
what other as can do that..


"testosterone..it makes a man out of bitches..
literally"..sourjerkkkkk

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jersey boy
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posted July 15, 2000 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey boy   Click Here to Email jersey boy     Edit/Delete Message
Test + Anadrol + Deca + Clomid = Mass + Strength + Pain Free Joints + Maintenance Of T Levels.

get big or get out

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Steelheart
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posted July 15, 2000 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steelheart   Click Here to Email Steelheart     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with this too.
Check out my "repost" of test only.

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ulter
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posted July 15, 2000 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ulter   Click Here to Email ulter     Edit/Delete Message
There are a growing number of academics who are supporting this idea. My Doctor swears by a deca-test routine only. He supplies over 600 bodybuilders (I don't know how smart that makes him). Over the years I've tried it both ways and I can't say there is any advantage to adding d-bol etc. With me it just seems to add water.

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Krusher
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posted July 16, 2000 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Krusher   Click Here to Email Krusher     Edit/Delete Message
bumpin for more input...this topic warrants more discussion.

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Bjaarki
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posted July 16, 2000 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bjaarki   Click Here to Email Bjaarki     Edit/Delete Message
Bump

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Mr. T
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posted July 16, 2000 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. T     Edit/Delete Message
For some reason when I stacked Tes and Deca, I kept every freaking pound that I put on. All I used was 750mgs of Sus and 400mgs of Deca per week. Awesome Shit! Good little combo-

Oh yeah, I forgot to say that even post cycle I continued to make gains weeks after they should have been out of my system. I did have some joint pain once the Deca wore off though...

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flaco
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posted July 16, 2000 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flaco   Click Here to Email flaco     Edit/Delete Message
I thought the reason for d-bol in a stack is because its fast acting and will kickstart your gains until the test or deca or whatever other as your using kicks in????

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ulter
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posted July 16, 2000 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ulter   Click Here to Email ulter     Edit/Delete Message
I'll wait. For me it's easier than cutting the water.

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300 kleen
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posted July 16, 2000 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 300 kleen   Click Here to Email 300 kleen     Edit/Delete Message
Sour Jerk,

You could use any AS to perserve weight
while dieting. That's not a valid reason.

Prop is good when dieting because it has a
lower water retention compared to other Tests.

But I still beleive that there are other
AS's out there that are worth taking.

Example:
Oxandrolone - increases creatine synthesis and allows for a large strength gain without too much weight. And it doesn't affect your natural test.

Parabolan - big muscle and strength gains with little to no aromitization and low water weight.

ETC, ETC... the list goes on.

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300 kleen


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cantgetlayed
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posted July 16, 2000 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cantgetlayed   Click Here to Email cantgetlayed     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not sure i agree with the whole test only thing. I speak an educated opinion but i haven't shot yet. I believe other drugs with different androgenic/anabolic levels exert different effects on the muscles. From what I've read, if I were gonna cut up I'd use eq, primo, and winny, unless I could find some real para. For mass I'd definately use test but also some deca and dbol. If taking higher doses of test and neglecting the other drugs was the way to go, we would have known by now. And for now, we know deca, winny and all te other anabolics work, so let's just use 'em.

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"And it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way." -Metallica

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marky
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posted July 16, 2000 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for marky     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe this post could have been:

"If you would only use one gear, which
would you choose?"

Anyone disagree with Squats as the single
best exercise for growth?

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