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D Ball Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted July 15, 2000 01:41 PM
  
i heard it burns fat true or not IP: Logged |
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matty Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1004) |
posted July 15, 2000 01:44 PM
burns fat????? never heard that one! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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JohnnyO Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 100) |
posted July 15, 2000 01:52 PM
Perhaps the caffiene might do something... though very very little. Don't know any diet sodas that have clen and cytomel as a secret incredient -- that would be cool.  IP: Logged |
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Green Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 239) |
posted July 15, 2000 01:56 PM
I'm sure it might help a little if you drink a lot of it because of the caffine in it. When I started to get serious about lifting and my diet I switched to all diet soda and it made me lose 15 lbs. alone. Regular soda is just loaded with sugar and I have a metabolism slower than a terd. LAter, Green IP: Logged |
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Decaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 500) |
posted July 15, 2000 01:58 PM
From what I have read, the artificial sweeteneres will give you an insulin spike just like sugar , on top of the fact that the chemicals are bad for you to begin with. DRINK WATER AND ONLY WATER. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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E M T Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 94) |
posted July 15, 2000 04:12 PM
I haven't had a soda in over a year. I stick to water and iced tea. IP: Logged |
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ColumboWeiser Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted July 15, 2000 04:17 PM
I have never heard of it being able to burn fat, I know durning the off season it makes things taste a little better...I have heard of people drinking a case a day to dehydrate themselves for a show, sounds stupid to me, but hey what ever floats your boat... IP: Logged |
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mistah_d Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 81) |
posted July 15, 2000 04:30 PM
If you need to have soda, it's the best option. The caffeine in it is a natural diuretic, but there are better ways to get caff in your system. Decaman is right, wtaer is really the ebst option...I like to put lemons in mine. I don't know if it helps me burn fat, but it adds soem flavor. Hope that helps IP: Logged |
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krzysiu013 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 344) |
posted July 15, 2000 05:11 PM
i rememeber someone posting that diet soda will act kinda like a diuretic... chris ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Puc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 580) |
posted July 15, 2000 08:49 PM
The artificial sweetener cannot give you an insulin spike. Aspartame is about 400 times sweeter than sugar. So, the amount of aspartame in a diet coke is 1/400 the amount of sugar in a regular coke. Top that with the fact that the primary ingredient in Aspartame is phenylalanie (sp), an amino acid (PROTEIN). Other artificial sweeteners are not even digestible (Acesulfame K, Saccharine, Sucralose, Stevia) so they can't either. (They are each at least 100 times sweeter than sugar). Some people cannot establish ketosis w/ diet soda, though my money is on the acids causing this problem, not the aspartame. The caffeine causes the diuretic effect of diet soda. Same thing can be done with coffee, NoDoz, or ECA. The weight loss properties, though minor, are also due to the caffeine. l8r Puc IP: Logged |
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evissam Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted July 15, 2000 08:53 PM
Decaman is correct. The human body begins to release insulin when it tastes somethintg sweet. Since there is no sugar in the diet soda, the insulin released will scavenge your blood sugar and is actually more likely to be stored as bodyfat. Diet sodas are a scam. Stick to pure H2O. IP: Logged |
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dafoe69 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49) |
posted July 15, 2000 08:56 PM
I read an article in FLEX I think that said it was low in calories and the caffeine in it works to speed you up and as a diuretic. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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evissam Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted July 15, 2000 10:07 PM
It is low cal, but so is water. Skip all of the additional chemicals in diet soda and take a vivarin if you want the caffeine. That way you can avoid the aspartame, phosphoric acid, artificial colors, and other crap. Works for me. IP: Logged |
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sour jerk Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 153) |
posted July 15, 2000 10:47 PM
this is great juiced up health nuts... sourjerkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk??????? ? ? ??? ?? youll do sust,clen,dnp,t3,synthol,deca,primo, and everything else but youll be damned if you drink a diet soda.(because of the chemicals?)....this is the funniest shit ever...
sourjerkkkkkkkkkkkk? ? ??? [This message has been edited by sour jerk (edited July 15, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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slabcat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 303) |
posted July 15, 2000 11:35 PM
No flame here but, There sure seems to be a lot of unusual theories coming out lately. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1288) |
posted July 16, 2000 02:09 AM
Aspartame the main sweetner in diet sodas is not only bullshit, but it can be quite dangerous. In long term cases, aspartame has been proven in humans to develope smptoms often misdiagnosed as MS, and lupus as well. In 4 different case studies of a group of people put on matching diets, one was given regular cola, the other the diet equivelent. In 12 weeks of dieting, the group on the diet cola gained on average of 8lbs of extra bodyfat, as compared to the other group who lost on average 12lbs. Plain and simple, its not only nasty shit..but its absolutely no good. The only time I would say drinking soda is ok is when your coming out the gym and need some sugar real quick to regenerate your glycogen stores...other than that..I dont mess with the crap..drink grape juice..you get the same effect. later, IP: Logged |
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evissam Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted July 16, 2000 02:47 AM
Here, here. I agree w/ WCP. Slabcat - It is not just BS. I did get something from my biochemistry degree. Insulin is first released in the body when it tastes something sweet in preparation for the oncoming increase in blood sugar. IP: Logged |
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Hitter Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted July 16, 2000 10:42 AM
Sometimes I find some of you guys strange.... . You bros would rather drink water rather than touch a diet soda 'cause of the chemicals and yet most of you bros are juiced to the gills. Don't u think that is a little strange? IP: Logged |
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angerManagement Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted July 16, 2000 11:08 AM
my guess is that someone told this guy to drink diet soda most likely because it has no sugar,therefor having no carbs as we all know.that would be the tremendous fat burning effect and it it has turned out to be an insulin spike issue lol lol lol IP: Logged |
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ectomorph Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 383) |
posted July 16, 2000 11:17 AM
I'm w/WCP on this. Drink either water or juices. I too will have a Mr Pibb post squats though. And no DIET SODA does not burn fat. If it did, all the fatasses drinking it would be shredded. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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StrongForLife Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted July 16, 2000 11:28 AM
These so called long term studies of Aspartame being the culprit for diseseases mentioned abobe are unsubstantiated. I have done extensive research on aspartame due to the fact that it is in the hGH releaser that i created and marketed. By the way, it is called Lifetropin. All of the negative claims were based only on anecdotal evidence. In fact, 100% of the legitimate studies performed by the nations top universities on clinical research (all non-biased groups), proved these claims to be no more than a fallacy. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Puc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 580) |
posted July 16, 2000 01:30 PM
Ok, if artificial sweeteners cause an insulin spike, therefore pushing blood glucose into muscle and fat cells, Why aren't they being used as anabolic agents?????????? Why aren't artificial sweeteners being used to speed entry into ketosis??? Why doesn't a person with low blood glucose (see ketosis) pass out after drinking diet soda? I've said it before, I suck at biochem... There are many facets to this that I just don't get. FYI: Ecto, you know as well as I do that that is bullshit logic. The fat person isn't fat because of the diet soda, it is the extra whopper with cheese that is being used to wash down the diet coke that causes obesity. ? Puc [This message has been edited by Puc (edited July 16, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 911) |
posted July 16, 2000 01:42 PM
I wont answer because you all said....dangerous shit...I will add, at High temperature 85 f, aspertame, nutrasweet, equal, all the same converts to formaldahyde, a serious toxin to the human body...as a chiropractor, the Primary reasons for nutritional type headaches are aspertame use, MSG,MILK(DAIRY PRODUCTS), and hypoglycemia.... IP: Logged |
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Puc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 580) |
posted July 16, 2000 01:54 PM
The headache thing is a given, even the makers admit that, but that is only for a small percentage of the populace. I would still like someone to answer my questions... Puc IP: Logged |
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mightydog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 442) |
posted July 16, 2000 01:54 PM
Yes, diet soda well will help you burn. Not fat though. The acid is a mofo. Pour enough consistantly on the same place on the sidewalk and it will literally eat a hole in it. You would more likely be burning your stomach and entire renal system. Have a Coke and a smile Yea, right!IP: Logged |
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evissam Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted July 16, 2000 01:59 PM
The aspartame to formaldehyde issue is also correct. But only in a certain near room temperature range. As for Puc's question, insulin is also responsible for converting blood sugar into muscle and liver glycogen for long term energy. That is why diabetics have no energy when they have no insulin. They have very high blood sugar, but no way to get it into the muscles for long term energy. When you spike insulin above a certain threshold, the body starts to form body fat instead. In order to go into ketosis, you need to deplete your blood sugar, and muscle and liver glycogen. Then your body will begin to convert bodyfat into blood sugar via ketone bodies with a few other hormones that OPPOSE insulin. High insulin is not the way to go if you are trying to stay in ketosis. You want your body to burn fat, not try to increase its storage of it. (Taking insulin for muscle growth is another issue) IP: Logged |
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Puc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 580) |
posted July 16, 2000 02:10 PM
thanx Puc IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 201) |
posted July 16, 2000 03:34 PM
First, I have posted studies on this topic before. Aspartame does not elicit a cephalic phase response (insulin release) in the vast majority of studies. If it does it happens only in a small percentage of people, similar to the headache population. Second, the "studies" used to claim serious adverse reactions to aspartame are purely anecdotal or spurious correlations. The studies that are available on Pubmed and Medline are overwhelmingly in support of aspartame's safety. Third, aspartame can be hydrolysed to release methanol, but it is in very small concentrations; in fact fruit juices can contain many hundred times more methanol (from microbial fermentation) than the amount formed from aspartame. The anti-Nutrasweet people like to claim that the concetrations of ethanol in juices protect from methanol toxicity, but the epidemiological evidence supports aspartame's safety. If not there would be thousands to millions of new cases of blindness. The body can handle small concentrations of methanol. Lastly, like other posters have noted; this anti-chemical mindset in individuals who espouse the benefits of the vast bodybuilding pharmacopia is very strange. You won't drink a diet drink, which is proven safe by the sheer numbers of users, yet think that DNP, high dose steroids, Synthol, PGF2-a, etc. is A-OK, is very disturbing. IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 565) |
posted July 16, 2000 03:43 PM
Hear hear cockdez1. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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bigal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 91) |
posted July 16, 2000 03:51 PM
read the latest issue of MuscleMag. Zulak writes an article about diet cola being used pre-contest a "case" a day no doubt. not saying i agree with it just letting everyone know where they can read about it. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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evissam Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted July 16, 2000 03:54 PM
This is now a pointless circle. You win. On to more interesting subjects (like AS). Signing out. IP: Logged |
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evissam Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted July 16, 2000 03:56 PM
PS - is that "Bi-gal" or "Big-Al" IP: Logged |
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bigal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 91) |
posted July 16, 2000 04:01 PM
Big-Al ------------------ IP: Logged |
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marky Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 456) |
posted July 16, 2000 10:22 PM
Remember the old put a piece of meat in a coca cola and see what you have the next day- nothing, no meat. Doesnt sound condusive to BB. Phosphoric acid has undoubtably caused some ulcers, as far as burn fat, probably the muscle too... IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 201) |
posted July 17, 2000 03:04 AM
"Remember the old put a piece of meat in a coca cola and see what you have the next day- nothing, no meat. Doesnt sound condusive to BB. Phosphoric acid has undoubtably caused some ulcers, as far as burn fat, probably the muscle too..." Marky, ever seen what stomach acid and digestive enzymes do to meat and grains and everything else that you put into your mouth? Your stomach makes HCl, a strong acid and it's pH is lower than that of soft drinks. Phosphoric acid HAS undoubtedly caused ulcers, but not the phosphoric acid in soft drinks, maybe high molar phosphoric acid some poor schmuck drank unknowingly. IP: Logged |
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runner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 123) |
posted July 17, 2000 08:52 AM
wcp, you mentioned some case studies regarding aspartame...would you happen to have URL's to check 'em out? IP: Logged |
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Fener Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted July 17, 2000 09:03 AM
I dink a gallon of diet coke a day. I 'm dieting and it works grate. I 'm sure no insuline spike because it is very hard for me to lose fat and i wouldn't be losing any with that much. Also remember a gallon of diet soda has 7 kcal. To gain 1 gram of fat you have to eat at least 9 kcal. So no fat gaing. There is a problem though. Mxing that much soda with clen makes my hands shake like an old man. IP: Logged |
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FitnessChick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1009) |
posted July 17, 2000 10:27 AM
you may be referring to some bs article in muscle mag a few months ago where someone wrote in asking how to cut water without taking diuretics......the guy proceeded to tell him to take a case of diet soda & drink it over a period of a few days...cant remember exactly how many....the liquid ( being only 1 calorie) and the caffine acting as a natural diuretic would cause him to pee out all water when he stopped all liquid intake about 2 days pre contest.....now I am thinking that all the gasses in the soda would give you a serious bloat....I doubt something like this would work. IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 314) |
posted July 17, 2000 10:57 AM
Long term testing on aspertame yeilding questionable results was done under lab conditions with mice. Last time i checked, genetically dispight obvious similarities air breathing mammals share, were not rodents. Therefore not applicable to the human condition. Get a clue, if you want a diet fuck coke DRINK IT. I dont like SOURJERK, but he made a point. Water alone should be your primary fluid as a bodybuilder. However, if the need for a carbonated beverage strikes you GO AHEAD AND DRINK THE DAMN thing. NONONONONONONONONONO, caffine alone in those miniscual amounts will not act like a diuretic. YOU WILL NOT LOSE bodyfat from consuming those products. SHESHS ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1288) |
posted July 17, 2000 11:21 AM
Runner, I have one of the studies saved in an email folder I believe, email me and I would be glad to send it over your way.. Later, IP: Logged |
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glazed_donutz Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 100) |
posted July 17, 2000 11:24 AM
works best washing down a Big Mack with Super Size Fries! sorry couldnt resist ------------------ IP: Logged |
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FitnessChick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1009) |
posted July 17, 2000 11:25 AM
glad someone else agrees with me, twisted steel....i couldnt believe my eyes when a mag( reputable bb mag) actually had the kuhones to run that as a solution for water cutting pre contest. IP: Logged |
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mr perfect Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 82) |
posted July 17, 2000 11:35 AM
it was that dumbass greg zulak who wrote the article about drinking diet coke by the case in order to get shredded this zulak better start making more sense because a while back he said never to drink any diet soda before a contest because it can make u hold water retention and now he says that it's a good idea . greg zulak is a moron who has no idea what the fuck he is taking about he changes his mind all the time ...What the fuck.. IP: Logged |
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weez Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 156) |
posted July 17, 2000 02:06 PM
I don't much about the biochemical properties of diet fucking soda, but I do know this: 1) There's not a diet soda around that tastes better than a glass of ice cold water...so just dump the shit 2) The pH balance in diet soda is so acidic that drinking it is one the worst things you can do to your teeth, b/c it eats away at the enamel. I had internships w/ dentists and oral surgeons and they said that if you must drink diet soda, at least drink some water afterwards to rinse it off your teeth, and never brush right after drinking it b/c it acts like sandpaper on wood.
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Flex Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 173) |
posted July 17, 2000 02:32 PM
Besides, i read somewhere that diet sodas may cause a males balls to shrink, and may lead to infertility, im not going to pretend to know the science, but the rumr is good enough for me... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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PhatPat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 122) |
posted July 17, 2000 07:31 PM
It is not sodas...you damn yankees. It is cokes. You say cokes cause thats what they are. Am I right fellow Texans? Just jokings guys, not trying to flame. IP: Logged |
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Steak Helmet Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 146) |
posted July 18, 2000 01:32 AM
I heard guys are drinking a case of diet coke a day 1wk out of a contest. Then four days before the contest they stop drinking soda and water. I guess the diuretic effect is outstanding. Test subjects anyone? IP: Logged |
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FitnessChick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1009) |
posted July 18, 2000 01:24 PM
steak.....are you serious or are you referring to the article I posted about above in my response.....I sure as hell wouldnt risk it...... IP: Logged |
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