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 Improved and updated cycle please offer comments
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Stew Meat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 99) |
posted July 15, 2000 10:43 AM
   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm 5'11 210 lbs, very lean. This is my first cycle. Deca*Sust*D-bol*Primo*clomid*HCG*Proviron [This message has been edited by Stew Meat (edited July 15, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Stew Meat (edited July 15, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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sauce Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 102) |
posted July 15, 2000 10:46 AM
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quenepo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 840) |
posted July 15, 2000 10:49 AM
My opinion,you must start high then taper off. Begin with 400mg of deca and 500mg of sust,for 4 weeks,then change to 300mg of deca 3 weeks,then end with 200mg.The same to d-bol begin with 30mg then 20-15-10. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Stew Meat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 99) |
posted July 15, 2000 10:54 AM
Thanks quenepo, I guess I don't need to email you about it...  [This message has been edited by Stew Meat (edited July 15, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 884) |
posted July 15, 2000 11:00 AM
I agree with quenepo. Load your receptors and then taper just to retain saturation. IP: Logged |
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Stew Meat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 99) |
posted July 15, 2000 11:10 AM
In my opinion, my receptors would be extremely sensitive for the first three weeks. All of the substrates should find their receptor sites. Over three weeks saturation would be more difficult due to decrease in receptor site sensitivity. So I'm thinking that I may be keeping saturation high with this pattern. I don't have a lot of personal experience but I'm a biolgy major (junior year). I'm also planning on doing another cycle later so I don't want to use a high dosage on this first cycle so I don't decrease overall receptor site sensitivity. I also want to keep my side effects low. I added primo in there in order to keep more of my gains. I know clen and winny have anti-catabolic capabilities. You guys think I'll be fine with what I've got as far as retaing gains or will winny or clen seriously help. I know they will add some cut toward teh end of the cycle but all I'm after is mass. I don't want to use anything else that will cause acne. I'm prone to it and I think that I'll be fighting it enough as it is. Thanks... IP: Logged |
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Stew Meat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 99) |
posted July 15, 2000 12:26 PM
I used deca as my backbone. I added the test for the obvious reasons. The d-bol is to keep a moderate level of angrogens and because sust doesn't taper (active for a month) I included the d-bol to give a slow taper off of androgens to anabolic only. The primo is strictly anabolic. It has permanent gains. I started it late to keep gains. It takes 4 weeks to get anabolic effect from it so I started it in time to reap anabolic benefits as well as keeping my gains. The comid is to keep natural test levels up. I figure they would be exhausted after six weeks so I started eod. The proviron is a mild anabolic but its greatest benefit is its anti estrogen properties. Its like nolvex only nolvex prohibits growth hormone release. The HCG will kick start my own test levels after the cycle. I don't think its too much because they aren't taken at the same time (except for 2 weeks). I did that to have a smooth conversion from androgenic to pure anabolic. You have to saturate androgenic receptor sites before they become anabolic. I kept my dossages seemingly low because I should be sensitive to anabolics being my first cycle and to reduce side efffects.
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Stew Meat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 99) |
posted July 15, 2000 01:25 PM
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Stew Meat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 99) |
posted July 15, 2000 01:26 PM
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roadruler Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 179) |
posted July 15, 2000 01:53 PM
I would do the dbol the first 5 weeks as a jumpstart, then by that time the sus and deca have kicked in. I like how you have the deca set up in a pryamid, I would also do sus for at least 8 weeks. IP: Logged |
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THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 884) |
posted July 15, 2000 04:03 PM
Stew Meat, I like your logic,but my experience has shown me that if I try to pyramid up the receptors start to down- regulate and it takes an even higher dosage to get results at the highpoint of my cycle. Everones different so let me know how it goes. IP: Logged |
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Stew Meat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 99) |
posted July 15, 2000 07:14 PM
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Stew Meat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 99) |
posted July 16, 2000 01:16 AM
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Krusher Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 331) |
posted July 16, 2000 10:41 AM
Hi Stew, you have many good ideas on paper but I don't think they will work so great in reality (no flame intended). This is the type of cycle I would have designed for myself before I found this board. A few basic points, pyramiding up your doses is out these days. It looks good on paper ie your body gets used to 200mg, so you up it to keep the gains coming, but with the slow release patterns of some drugs you won't get that bang when you're looking for it. Also, for me atleast, pyramiding up my dose of sust means I'm raising my estrogen levels as well, heading straight towards gyno. And lastly, I don't like the d-bol at the end, the gains from d-bol will be lost quite rapidly if d-bol isn't followed up with several weeks of injectables. I would use d-bol for the first 4-5 weeks then start the primo. Good luck. IP: Logged |
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