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greenhouse Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 305) |
posted July 14, 2000 03:40 PM
   The good ole TEST/DECA/DBOL cycle... sust****deca***dbol Also being 6'2 and 230, with the right eating, training and sleeping what do you think the gains could potentially be? I added two more weeks at 750... And took out one week of Clomid at the end... [This message has been edited by greenhouse (edited July 14, 2000).] [This message has been edited by greenhouse (edited July 14, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 892) |
posted July 14, 2000 03:45 PM
this is the perfect cycle...keep us informed IP: Logged |
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gearface Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 422) |
posted July 14, 2000 03:47 PM
Cals- 20 times body weight and protein- 2 to 3x bodyweight. Looks good bro.Later. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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gearface Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 422) |
posted July 14, 2000 03:48 PM
Cals- 20 times body weight and protein- 2 to 3x bodyweight. Looks good bro.Later. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Wesley PIPES Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
posted July 14, 2000 05:05 PM
Looks like a good cycle bro, keep us posted and good luck IP: Logged |
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el cubano Moderator (Total posts: 545) |
posted July 14, 2000 06:10 PM
I would taper the dbol more and end with 3 tabs per day on the last week. I'd also take more deca, maybe 600mg's in the middle of the cycle. Otherwise it looks good. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Pup'nIrn Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 257) |
posted July 14, 2000 06:22 PM
I agree is el cubano. The dbol would benefit you more by bringing it out about 2-3 more weeks tapering down to 3 or even 2. I have trouble with gyno already so I would definitely do this. IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3214) |
posted July 14, 2000 06:32 PM
That cycle is too heavy. The max Sus should be 500 and you do not need to taper it at the end. The max Deca should be 300 The D-Bol should be tapered more like this: ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com IP: Logged |
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BigCatratcho Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 459) |
posted July 14, 2000 07:15 PM
AND I'd cut that end of cycle clomid in half. I'd go 100/50/50. too many women hormones running through ya. I know EVERYONE says clomid has no sides, but I think it gave me zits at the end of my last cycle. If you are really paranoid, take it eod through your cycle, and just do three weeks ed, two weeks after your last sus shot. And you will lose weight, particularly with out an anti-aromatose, like cytadren or clomid, at the end of the cycle (water, no worries). .02 ------------------ "tank tops are for medium sized guys..." IP: Logged |
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BigCatratcho Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 459) |
posted July 14, 2000 07:18 PM
(what 2thick said) IP: Logged |
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c-dizzo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 70) |
posted July 14, 2000 07:21 PM
green you need to throw in some primabolin, and winstrol, or something with the decca that will help keep the gains off the sustanon and dbol. IP: Logged |
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c-dizzo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 70) |
posted July 14, 2000 07:28 PM
ohh the part about the sustanon and decca about taking 500 mg, or only 300 is BS, Man I used to take 1000 mg of test and 2000 mg of decca at once, sure your receptors can get full quick, but your dosages are cool, 300 mg of decca is if you take it year round, if not juice it up. IP: Logged |
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c-dizzo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 70) |
posted July 14, 2000 07:32 PM
look at the last post, about sustanon dosages, if someone says your run is too big they are crazy that cycle is for babies, trust me, you need more drugs and higher dosages, to get the real benefits. IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3214) |
posted July 14, 2000 07:49 PM
c-dizzo, You can do what you like with your body, but that is not good advice for doing a first cycle. You don't know much about gear if you are injecting 2000mg of Deca per week. If that is a baby cycle them I would like to see what you call a "man's" cycle. Unless people want to waste their money and put up with avoidable side-effects, then your idea of a cycle is not feasible unless you have been using gear for over 8-10 years. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3612) |
posted July 14, 2000 07:58 PM
2thick i never understand your recomendations to people personally i think this cycle is a little light, i don't know if you're seriously genetically gifted or your respond incredible well to gear. I think you should go heavier on the sust, 1000mg a week, and hold it for 8 weeks then taper for two, the deca at 400mg a week is fine and the dbol looks very good to me. I like it, just up the sust more and hold it longer. DOn't forget your liver helpers. IP: Logged |
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jocko Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 170) |
posted July 14, 2000 08:01 PM
2thick, what is you're opinion on shooting SUST every 3 days, and taking D-bol every 4-hrs.? Also for a guy 6'2" 230-255lbs. 500mg of SUST for a first cycle is plenty? IP: Logged |
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always02 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 315) |
posted July 14, 2000 08:06 PM
i kind of agree with e2, little more with the sus, the first two weeks of deca i would do 800, and 600, and d'bol 8-10 tabs a day, with no taper at the end because of the clomid. you said this is your first "real" cycle which probably means you have juiced before, but probably not stacked. at least that is what i am basing the doses on. due e2's post cycle gainskeeper thing, and you should be fine, good luck. IP: Logged |
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gamer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 197) |
posted July 14, 2000 08:13 PM
Hey man if this is your first cycle and your comfortable with the dosages then it looks solid and well rounded to me. I wouldn't bump the test to 1000 but I would hold the 750 through week eight before tapering the last two weeks. I'll explain my logic behind this. If you cut your d-bol altogether and cut your test by 1/3 at the same time then you are probably taking too much of the anabolic effect away. You'lle still make quality gains just as you outlined only I think they would continue longer if you kept your dose at 750. I bet you'lle gain a ton of weight up front and then only 1-2 pounds a week after that when you cut your d-bol and your test. I think you can get more out of the cycle while adding only a small amount of risk. Your already using 750 so it's not a far cry from your plan to just extend this a little longer. Hope this helps and take your milk thistle and evening primrose oil to take care of your liver. Make sure you have nolvadex on hand as a safety precation just in case. You should never do a test and d-bol combo without it as an insurance policy. Good luck. IP: Logged |
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gamer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 197) |
posted July 14, 2000 08:18 PM
By the way c-rizzo 2000mg of deca? Are you insane, man? The progestinic gyno is going to wreak havoc on most people at any dose over about 800mgs. Anything over 600 is in my oppinion unecessary and should be substituted for with another drug. After 600 the sides start to outweigh the benefits and at 2000 I would label it as abusive and stupid. Please nobody be dumb enough to try this! IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3214) |
posted July 14, 2000 08:19 PM
The medical dosage for Sustenon is about 250mg every 2-3 weeks. That means that 1000mg/week is about 8 times the recommended medical dosage. Why not start with about 4 times the medical dosage and see the same results without automatically making 1g per week the minimum dosage for all of your cycles in the future? ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com IP: Logged |
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drummerbuilder Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 60) |
posted July 14, 2000 08:37 PM
i totally agree with 2thick why take all that gear when its your first cycle? what do you do down the line then when you need to increase your dosages? you're up to like 3 grams per week, which is pretty damn high i still laugh about the first "cycle" i did with my friend we were both about the same size you are when we did it, and put on about 20 pounds on like 300 mgs total per week this board has a tendency to recommend everything in high doses take the low road, you'll keep more of your gains and you won't be hurting as bad when you come off IP: Logged |
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el cubano Moderator (Total posts: 545) |
posted July 14, 2000 08:49 PM
Whoa! 2thick, you are talking about the recommended medical dosage? What the hell does that have to do with how a bodybuilder should take gear? Obviously you are looking at gear in a totally different way than for bodybuilding! You are right that you don't have to taper sust, but I still recommend it. Dosages of 500mg's per week are moderate to weak for the average person to gain any appreciable mass and strength! Dosages of 1500mg's per week are not unheard of, and even very common among the pro's. I've always been an advocate for not overdosing but your recommendation is way to far on the light side! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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GENETIC_FREAK Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 35) |
posted July 14, 2000 09:14 PM
I fall on the side of the Cuban and E2. Since Its his first cycle Im sure he will respond well to what he is planning but, I truly believe most of (if not all) the juice out there is underdosed to some degree. That in itself would make a good topic for the board..............The FEAK IP: Logged |
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TheBear Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 182) |
posted July 14, 2000 10:09 PM
I am 5'11 210, and am fifth week into sus and eq cycle. It is my first cycle ever and feel 750 would have been better. I have made good gains and havent had any side effects what-so-ever,minus some anxiety. I think the cycle looks damn good. I agree with E2 on this, but I know you would still get great results with 500mg like 2thick suggests. its your body and really is your call. Do what you feel comfortable with and you will grow. IP: Logged |
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c-dizzo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 70) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:02 PM
well I agree that everyone is different, but taking 2000 milligrams of decca every two weeks isnt shit, thats 1000 a week, but I know it doesnt weigh out like that, but that isnt that much, Ill take a 10cc nor 200 at once, then do it two weeks later or take 1500 the next week, I will post a real run, if you want me to go through with it, its like this the more drugs you use, that means the less of each drug you have to take, and your receptors dont get blown out, I will post a real run for you guys. IP: Logged |
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sour jerk Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 123) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:18 PM
THAT CYCLE IS HORRIBLE BECAUSE TOO SHORT IF YOU WANT SOME SERIOUS SIZE AND ITS YOUR FIRST CYCLE,THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO MAKE THE GREATEST GAINS OF YOUR LIFE NOTHING BEATS THE FIRST CYCLE,I SAY INCREASE THE CYCLE TO 16-20 WEEKS AND UP THE TEST DOSAGE TO 1000 IP: Logged |
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deadliftr Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:34 PM
sj u asshole....you tell a newbie to pop 2 lasix a week? i am speechless....bro...DO NOT take lasix with this cycle.....in my opinion it looks ok for a first run...be wary of who you take advice from...there are a lot of shitheads running around....ie..sour jerkoff dl20 IP: Logged |
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deadliftr Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:34 PM
sj u asshole....you tell a newbie to pop 2 lasix a week? i am speechless....bro...DO NOT take lasix with this cycle.....in my opinion it looks ok for a first run...be wary of who you take advice from...there are a lot of shitheads running around....ie..sour jerkoff dl20 IP: Logged |
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always02 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 315) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:38 PM
increase the cycle to 20 weeks!!!!what???? please tell me your joking, i totally agree with deadliftr, pretty funny reply too. IP: Logged |
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greenhouse Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 305) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:48 PM
Guys, you have no idea how nice it is to get so many great replies to my post. I think that I am going to add 2 more weeks at 750 and one more week of D-Bol. I might even extend it a little more though. As far as the clomid goes I cut that down. I would really love to throw some Winny in at the end but that would bring the cost up to almost a grand. The deca is for my joints. And I am not going to fuck with Lasix either. I am very proud at all the intelligent replys except for one. PEACE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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sour jerk Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 123) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:57 PM
2 LASIX A WEEK AINT SHIT,AND ITS A GREAT WAY TO REDUCE ALL THE WATER RETENTION FROM THE GEAR..GREEN IN NO WAY AM I TRYING TO HARM YOU IM SIMPLY VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERYONE ELSE..ITS UP TO YOU WHAT YOULL TAKE I JUST FEEL YOUR CYCLE IS TOO MILD AND SHORT.. PS.DEADLIFTR EAT MY SHIT PUSSY... SOURJERKKKKKKKKKKKK? ?????????? ?? ?? ????? ? IP: Logged |
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sour jerk Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 123) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:58 PM
2 LASIX A WEEK AINT SHIT,AND ITS A GREAT WAY TO REDUCE ALL THE WATER RETENTION FROM THE GEAR..GREEN IN NO WAY AM I TRYING TO HARM YOU IM SIMPLY VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERYONE ELSE..ITS UP TO YOU WHAT YOULL TAKE I JUST FEEL YOUR CYCLE IS TOO MILD AND SHORT..I APOLOGIZE IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE.. PS.DEADLIFTR EAT MY SHIT PUSSY... SOURJERKKKKKKKKKKKK? ?????????? ?? ?? ????? ? IP: Logged |
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gearface Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 422) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:59 PM
Bro you don't need to take the dbol longer than 6 weeks.And do not listen to sour jerk or c-dizzo. I think the cycle is good , you don't need anymore that that. Everyone says "Oh you need to take a million of this and a million of that".*cough*bullshit*cough* ------------------ [This message has been edited by gearface (edited July 15, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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greenhouse Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 305) |
posted July 15, 2000 12:15 AM
Sour, I realize that you are not trying to hurt me. I have done quite of bit of research and I did on Lasix some time ago. I'll pass. Thanks for the all the suggestions though. I am even considering taking very mild dosages of Nolvadex through-out. Because I retain water really easy. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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rippazoid Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 168) |
posted July 15, 2000 12:20 AM
i totally agree with 2thick. 500 is plenty of sus for a newbie. Besides he can always increase the dosage next time if his gains are not satisfactory. if he eats,lifts and sleeps the way he is supposed to, the gains should be tremendous. my 3rd cycle was very similar to this except it was only 250mg of sus, 4dball a day and 200 mg of deca and i gained 26lbs. to me the cycle is a bit much for a 1st timer. IP: Logged |
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greenhouse Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 305) |
posted July 15, 2000 12:35 AM
rippazoid, First of all how much did you weigh and how long had you been training? Those are terrific gains, I just dont see me putting on 30lbs of that. I am going to live and die by the premise that I will never have another first cycle. Thanks a lot for everyones great input and advice. IP: Logged |
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marky Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 449) |
posted July 15, 2000 12:38 AM
Sounds like a good cycle. There are as many variations as anyone can come up with, but in the end your going to come up with the one thats right for you by experimentation. As with any cycle what will maximize your gains is quality of training, calories and sleep/recovery. As for protein, an easy method ive used for BB is 3X your body weight in Kilograms. So 232lbs= approx 103kg so about 300 grams. Consume a shake at bedtime. repost with your results. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ChaosXL Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 9) |
posted July 15, 2000 02:09 AM
greenhouse, my buddy and I are about to go on the same cycle, and I think were from the same town. In AR??? Would be nice to hear results from you throughout your cycle. I will start mine next month. ChaosXL "Reinventing the Steel" IP: Logged |
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td24 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 71) |
posted July 15, 2000 02:10 AM
Greenhouse are you from HS. Email me!! IP: Logged |
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ironmaster Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 245) |
posted July 15, 2000 02:33 AM
Now this is what makes this an interesting board. On one thread you got E2, 2thick, animal b, & the cuban - all very knowlegeable - offering differing points. Greenhouse compares and makes an informed choice. Thats how it should be. BTW, greenhouse, how old are you? I'm here to tell you that it takes more if your not a kid anymore. I would go with E2 on this. I have wasted money in the past on too light cycles that didn't get the results I wanted. IP: Logged |
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tray renfro Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 670) |
posted July 15, 2000 05:02 AM
i don't see why people insest people using high doses, from my experience with myself and friends 400mg of deca and 750mg of sust will give you great results, and along with 30mg of dbol you could easily gain 30+lbs if you train right and eat 350+g of protein and over 6000 calories. Have people forgot about health. guys on here talking about this being a lite cycle, using for 20 weeks, doubling the doses and using dbol for longer. Nobody should use an oral like this for more then 5 weeks total. I like this cycle except i would use the dbol like this 6/6/6/4/3 and drop the clomid to only 2 weeks at the end, 100mgED then 50mgED. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Dexter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 675) |
posted July 15, 2000 07:04 AM
What el cubano says makes a lot of sense. If you don't taper the D-bol more, you stand the risk of crashing when it's stopped. Personally, I would toss Primobolan into this cycle, 400 mg. per week toward the end, and 3 - 4 weeks after the last Sust shot. Good luck. I'd be interested to hear how it works for you. I always enjoy the cycle stories. Dexter ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Mojo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 409) |
posted July 15, 2000 10:39 AM
I love debates like this. This is what got me hooked on the board in the first place. You get so many different ideas, and you can pick choose and research the one that you think is right for you. I'm not choosing any ones point of view, but E2 and The Cuban can put together some kick ass cycles. IP: Logged |
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cunroe Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 3) |
posted July 15, 2000 11:17 AM
"Ironmaster - I'm here to tell you that it takes more if your not a kid anymore. I have wasted money in the past on too light cycles that didn't get the results I wanted." For an "old-fuck" (me BTW - This thread is a great education. Later, IP: Logged |
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ColumboWeiser Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 44) |
posted July 15, 2000 11:21 AM
Looks good...remeber to eat double your LBM in protein and have a 3:1 ratio of carbs to protein...I personally would take clomid everyday afterward for two weeks at 100mgs a day, then taper to 50mg EOD...good luck  IP: Logged |
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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1344) |
posted July 15, 2000 11:58 AM
Good cycle....It's your body, and it looks like you done your research Bro...Yup, stay away from Lasix, and 2000mg's of deca....good bye dick, hello deca induced gyno.....2000mg's of deca....damn, that's a wonder-bra cycle....heh heh heh!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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greenhouse Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 305) |
posted July 15, 2000 12:49 PM
I am 21yrs old ironmaster. I still consider myself a kid when it comes to gear and bodybuilding. ChaosXL and td24, ya I am very close to H.S. I use to go to up there about every night. But due to the fact that I am very close to starting my cycle I am slowly trying to break myself of Drinking. I'll e-mail you two, maybe we could meet at Sunbay or were ever and lift. I really appreciate everyones input. Talk about a great cycle debate. I think that I am going to taper the D-Bol just a little. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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c-dizzo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 70) |
posted July 15, 2000 02:24 PM
greenhouse, remember me joe deans bud, well let me tell you, like I said earlier, you need to up your dosage to 1500mg of decca, and 1000 on the sustanon, forget the dbol, get some methyltest or anadrol, then you need to buy some primabolin and winstrol and throw it up in the mix man Im telling you, if this is your first go round you need to get the maximum benefits, forget what the lightweights say, blast off to get some size, you will do cool of sus and decca alone, but add some primabolin and winstrol and it will make a helluva difference, man I know trust me, and ask anyone that knows, you might want to get some equipoise too, look good luck, and juice it up dont juice down, 400 and 300 or 700 milligrams aint shit, thats maintenance levels. IP: Logged |
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tray renfro Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 670) |
posted July 15, 2000 03:59 PM
c-dizzo, do what you want with your body, but don't insest that everyone should do your cycles, why try and f**k up this kids health. 1500mg deca give me a break, nobody should use those doses unless your a pro bodybuilder. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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sour jerk Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 123) |
posted July 15, 2000 04:49 PM
i know im gonna get flamed for this but fuck it,i think light cycles are worthless whats even more worthless is anything under 16weeks i always have my boys complain why they lose more than half the shit they gained,and what ever they do keep ends up goin slowly as well..any one whos serious about gains needs to take higher dosages you cant get past your genetic limits with 250sos that aint shit,and fuck those anabolics too man deca,primo,winny,these are great if your a bitch..test and dbol is the only thing necessary for mass,i take a little lasix with it to reduce the water retention .because it can get out of hand.. and as far as side effects i see the same side effects with 250 as with 1000...atleast with a 1000 im keeping most of it... just my opinion,feel free to flame.... sourjerkkkkkkkkkkkkk? ????? ?? ?????? IP: Logged |
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rippazoid Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 168) |
posted July 15, 2000 05:01 PM
greenhouse, i was 204 when i started that cycle and had been training for 11 years. man im telling you there is no need to go that heavy your 1st time infact it is stupid. like i said before see what kind of gains you make off 500 sus and keep everything thing else the same if you want(eventhough i think it is a bit much also) just make sure your eating the proper diet and getting enough rest and training with high intensity and im telling you your gains will be big. IP: Logged |
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