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 Is this a symptom of something serious?
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Kain Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:47 AM
  
Lately, for about the past four days in a row I've woken up with one of both of my arms asleep. Sounds funny I know, but I wonder if it has to do with blood pooling in the wrong places or something. Has anyone experienced this and should I be worried? Kain This is the end of 4th week of my cycle IP: Logged |
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JonBlaze Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:50 AM
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 874) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:51 AM
how big are you? dont know, doesn't sound too good - will bump for info. Slopain IP: Logged |
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havoc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 303) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:52 AM
Your probably sleeping on it or cutting the blood off somewhere somehow, dont think its a big problem though. IP: Logged |
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Unity66 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 141) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:56 AM
Have you had your blood pressure, cholesterol levels checked? You may want to take a baby asprin ed...if in doubt, go see your doc Unity66 IP: Logged |
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Kain Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:04 PM
I'm 6'4, 251LBS right now. Before the cycle I was 223LBS. I checked my BP at Publix like 2 weeks ago and everything was fine...alittle low like it always is. I've had trouble getting comfortable, feels like I can't put my arms in a resting position. IP: Logged |
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GETCUT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 376) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:12 PM
now that you bring that up the same thing happens to me. just never really thought about it. i haven't had my blood pressure taken yet though. i'm not a real big guy either 6'1" 205lbs. i started at 180lbs. anybody know why? IP: Logged |
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GreatOne Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:18 PM
i do that all the time and ive never taken anything, so it couldnt possibly be AS causing the problem. IP: Logged |
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xtreemrush Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 192) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:21 PM
i have the same thing happen to me quite frequently...even before i ever juiced. i think it is nothing serious...just restricted blood flow from sleeping on my side. IP: Logged |
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special_bill Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 82) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:25 PM
i dont think its from blood pooling, since being horizontal can only be easier on the bloodflow than being vertical (and with swinging arms during ambulation no doubt)...most "asleep" limbs are from nerve compression...you are pinching a nerve...since you are asleep, you aren't cognizant of the initial warnings until wham, you got "dead arm"...it also happens more frequently in people under the influence of narcotics since they are in a deeper state of unconciousness and less likely to shift around during sleep IP: Logged |
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Ice Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 507) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:26 PM
Do a little cardio. One of our iron brothers told me one time that during a cycle the muscle grow but the blood vessels don't. So you gain all this mass but no way to get oxygen to it. Doing a little cardio during and a little more post cycle stimulates this growth of veins a capillaries. IP: Logged |
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Little_Hurt Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 26) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:26 PM
Don't sweat it, happens all the time. Let me guess you sleep on your stomach. IP: Logged |
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ectomorph Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 381) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:28 PM
This was happening to me when I was 252 and if I put my arms anywhere but hanging straight down they would feel weird. Try doing 15-20 mins cardio 3 times a week. You may be hypertensive. It worked for me. Good Luck ------------------ IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 317) |
posted July 14, 2000 01:24 PM
My .02 would be to look into something called Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. In a nut shell there are three types. #1 Tight pec minor mm., #2 Tight anterior scalenes (the mm in the front/lateral side of your neck), and #3 which I don't think applies, is a rib that sometimes comes off of the cervical vertibrae that get subluxated, as opposed to the thoracic vertibrae exclusively. Any one or all of these can/will cause interference with the neurovascular bundle (a string of blood vessels and nerves that come from you neck, run down your shoulders to your arms bilaterally) thus giving the sensation of tingling, pins and needles and numbness.
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mistah_d Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 77) |
posted July 14, 2000 01:36 PM
I agree w/ th eThoracic Outlet Syndrome. There are also two other possibilities: Overuse syndrome (quite similar to Thor Out Syn) and a bit less likely but possible is Myofacial Pain Syndrome. All of them in some form will cause the symptoms you have. I like the comment about bvessels needing to grow with muscle. Good post bros... IP: Logged |
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bgriff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 600) |
posted July 14, 2000 01:56 PM
hey bro!!! Maybe your arms are just too big!!!  ------------------ IP: Logged |
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FLEXMEX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 167) |
posted July 14, 2000 02:47 PM
that happened to me alot too..i started takin fish oils to help maintain good heart and vascular health and that has helped them keep from fallin asleep as bad too. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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joker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 224) |
posted July 14, 2000 03:21 PM
I spoke with a Nurse about this the other day, during the birth classes me and my wife are attending. It seems that pregnant women often get the same sensation. It was beleived to be carpal tunnel syndrome. It is in fact due to the weight increase that some women experience, specifically in the upper body (e.g. breasts get bigger, fat). This weight increase puts pressure on the arteries that run through your arms, which slows or cuts off the circulation. I experience the same thing since I put on 20#. I hope it goes away soon.... IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 317) |
posted July 14, 2000 04:19 PM
Carpal Tunnel is more the compression/compromise of the median nerve that travels through he bones of the wrist, not neccesarily the decrease of vascular response.
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LEGEND Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 177) |
posted July 14, 2000 04:23 PM
are you taking dbols? when ever dbol is in my cycle, i have problems getting comfortable in bed also, i feel crampy in my back and delts, but everybody is different, if your worried about it go to the doctor, better safe then sorry right ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Kingpin Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted July 14, 2000 04:30 PM
Better your arm falling asleep than another part of your anatomy... Seriously though, I have the same problem almost every night and it is from sleeping on my side. I think that it is a result of fast muscular growth, and increased blood demand. IP: Logged |
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supreme Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38) |
posted July 15, 2000 12:30 AM
I have the same thing, its especially bad after I do dumbell shoulder presses I had it checked and it is thoracic outlet syndrome. Tight muscles, improper stretching and sleeping wong cuts off blood flow to the subclavian vein.
later! IP: Logged |
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D007 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 616) |
posted July 15, 2000 12:38 AM
Yeah, if you are growing and not accustomed to compensating for sleeping with the extra mass. IP: Logged |
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NoviceJuicer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 311) |
posted July 15, 2000 01:24 AM
Yeah Jersey, probably TOS. Real common if you have had an auto accident. 67% of TOS occurs on the side of the shoulder restraint - for drivers more common on the left side. Auto accidents cause alot of problems that are often overlooked. 25-30% of all seat bleted auto accident victims suffer from some degree of myocardial (heart muscle) injury (I EKG them all). many suffer carotid artery damage that can result in a stroke months later. Any history of auto accidents? IP: Logged |
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Kain Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted July 15, 2000 03:23 AM
Thanks for all the input. Personally I like the idea that my arms are just too damn big. LOL. Anyway, no car accidents. I'm gonna try a little cardio, I haven't done any since this is a bulking cycle. We'll see how it goes. I'm tapering the Dbol right now, so the sleeping my get better too. Thanks again bros for the input. Kain IP: Logged |
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benchmaster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 74) |
posted July 15, 2000 03:37 AM
Kain, try sleeping with a short sleeve T shirt on. an/or change your mattress.......it does have something to do with the increase size of your arms, around the deltoid muscle, and body weight....everytime i get a little bigger in my arms and deltoids i do the same thing....but i read an article in Muscle and fitness a few years back that suggested that bodybuilders experiencing this problem to wear a short sleeve T shirt to bed...It worked for me, maybe it will work for you? I seems to be a common occurance in bigger men like ourselfs...i'm 6' and 245 lbs ------------------ IP: Logged |
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benchmaster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 74) |
posted July 15, 2000 03:38 AM
Kain, try sleeping with a short sleeve T shirt on. an/or change your mattress.......it does have something to do with the increase size of your arms, around the deltoid muscle, and body weight....everytime i get a little bigger in my arms and deltoids i do the same thing....but i read an article in Muscle and fitness a few years back that suggested that bodybuilders experiencing this problem to wear a short sleeve T shirt to bed...It worked for me, maybe it will work for you? It seems to be a common occurance in bigger men like ourselfs...i'm 6' and 245 lbs ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ozzymandius Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 527) |
posted July 15, 2000 03:47 AM
BRO- THAT WAS HAPPENING TO ME. THEN IT STARTED HAPPENING ALL THE TIME, NOT JUST WHEN I WAS IN BED. THEN THE FINAL STRAW !!MY FACE FELL ASLEEP!! WENT TO THE DR. HIGH BP. SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE IT THEN YOU COULD PROB. GET AWAY WITH WHAT I DID A FEW YRZ BACK FOR IT. TAKE ASPRIN. BOUT 6 OR SO A DAY DID THE TRICK FOR ME. HMM WHY DID I QUIT. I DON'T REMEMBER. GET IT CHECKED OUT BRO. I GOT WORRIED THAT IF MY FACE FELL A SLEEP THEN IT WOULDN'T BE LONG BEFORE THE "LITTLE GENERAL" WOULD. GOOD LUCK BRO. IP: Logged |
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benchmaster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 74) |
posted July 15, 2000 05:51 AM
Bump this for more info.very good question. I want to see more replies. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Kain Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted July 15, 2000 04:53 PM
I think I'm gonna go the clinic on wednesday of next week. I get free visits here at the college so we'll see. Thanks again for the responses. Any more would be appreciated. Kain IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 317) |
posted July 15, 2000 06:28 PM
Hey Novice, do you have any good articles on stroke from vertebrabasilar insufficiency that are related to post MVA sufferers? get big or get out IP: Logged |
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davbrucas Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 11) |
posted July 15, 2000 08:02 PM
just compression of the brachial nerve in your upper arm because of the water retention/muscle gain. It will go away in a week or two. Just give your body a chance to adapt to the increase in mass. By the way, I do have some knowledge in this because I am a first-year resident in general surgery. If it does not subside in 2 weeks,go get it checked out. IP: Logged |
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davbrucas Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 11) |
posted July 15, 2000 08:09 PM
Also, it happens mainly at night because when you are asleep, your body is in repair mode. This is when you do most of your growing. In the daytime(and workouts), your parasympathetic nervous system is somewhat inhibited. At night while you sleep ribosomal translation of new proteins is at its highest. Thus, the new mass is causing some discomfort, but will go away. Doesnt happen much in the daytime does it? When you use the muscles, they become limber and "pull away" from the nerves and veins. Just some different thoughts from a skilled newbie! IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 317) |
posted July 15, 2000 11:40 PM
Perhaps a viable dx, newbie. From a Doctor of Chiropractic's point of view, I must look to the spine for radicular pain and discomfort. Also... Not a flame to you, but I have read many articles debunking the idea that the most repair takes place during sleep. Yes, the PNS is more active, but the overall metabolism of the body is somewhat less than that of the daytime when nutrients are optimized. Think about it, if one were to sleep let's say for 8 hours straight, wouldn't that put us in a negative nitrogen balance thus a catabolic state? get big or get out IP: Logged |
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1 Mistake Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 240) |
posted July 15, 2000 11:51 PM
The same thing happened to me after I started GH.Seems to have stopped when I discontinued the HGH.hhmmmmm J IP: Logged |
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davbrucas Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 11) |
posted July 16, 2000 09:24 PM
good point jersey, the human body is still a mysterious frontier that we can only hope to one day unravel. i will always be a student of medicine, like most docs. One thing on your dx, a body asleep with hi-levels of AS coursing thru the system is a little different that a "normal" person's. There have been studies done where it has been said that people using performance enhancing drugs such as AS do not get the quality of sleep that the control group got (less REM and Stage IV) because of the traffic-jam of growth going on inside. Who knows what the answers are? Good research project for you PhD candidates out there! IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 317) |
posted July 16, 2000 09:55 PM
touche. I did not read anything on that you described. It is very interesting though. Do you have a lead on some references I can get my hands on? Yes, we are all students in the iron game of life, and everything else for that matter.
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Kain Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted July 16, 2000 10:01 PM
Just to update...I went to Publix to check my BP. Don't know if this is anywhere close to being accurate. It says on the thing that it is designed for arms 9-14inches. That doesn't bode well for my 17.5 inchers. I did it anyway...and I was low. 145/52 with a pulse rate of 71. Dunno, but the BP seems low. Kain IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 317) |
posted July 16, 2000 10:16 PM
It makes a huge difference what size cuff they use. Go back and tell them to get it right. There are larger size cuffs for the buff and obese. If they don't have one of them, there are also cuffs designed to be used on the leg as well. Being on the juice, the first number is about right. The second number (more importantly) is way to low and out of proportion to the first.
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davbrucas Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 11) |
posted July 16, 2000 10:20 PM
jersey, will get you the info next week...references at my hospital. It's good that you are interested in expanding your knowledge to better serve us newbies!
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Kain Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted July 16, 2000 10:44 PM
I wrote in there that I thought it was inaccurate. I know it can't be right, but hell...I did it anyway. Gonna go to the clinic and get one of those funkey worded things to read it. haha...thanks guys. Kain IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 317) |
posted July 16, 2000 10:56 PM
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