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bb4424 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 54)	posted July 13, 2000 11:48 PM I am planning my third ever cycle. I am 5'10" 197 @ 11.5 BF on the calipers and 31 years old. I want to gain a solid 10-15 lbs. and keep most of it. I am concerned with safety. I am pretty clean with the diet and I can put away good quanities of nutritious foods. I have Deca, Dbol, Primo Depot, Clen, Clomid and Nolvadex. My plan is as follows: Week1 4dbol/day, 400 Deca/week, Clom 50 EOD Week2 3dbol/day, 400 Deca/week, Clom 50 EOD Week3 2dbol/day, 400 Deca/week, Clom 50 EOD Week4 400 Deca/week, 400 first day then 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD Week5 400 Deca/week, 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD Week6 400 Deca/week, 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD Week7 400 Deca/week, 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD Week8 400 Deca/week, 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD Week9 400 Deca/week, 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD Week10 400 Deca/week, 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD Week11 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD Clen2/day Week12 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 100 ED clen 3/day Week14 Clomid 100 ED, Clen 2/day Week15 Clomid 50 EOD, Clen 3/day Also, I will take Milk thistle, multivitamin, Primrose oil and 350 Grams protein per day throughout. I am wondering about the following: Is the Dbol necessary? Is the Primo often enough with high enough mg? My logic is that I only have 20 amps and I figured I could strech it out over time. Thanks for all your help. I will do all measurents and pictures before, during and after. IP: Logged
animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 882)	posted July 13, 2000 11:52 PM the dball is very necessary and that cycle is very conservative, maybe 8-10 lbs if that IP: Logged
bb4424 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 54)	posted July 13, 2000 11:54 PM I have a few hundred dbol...should I take more? IP: Logged
THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 859)	posted July 13, 2000 11:56 PM Animal is right. Kick up the d-bol to 8 to 10 a day and if you want mass you'll need some test in that cycle. IP: Logged
animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 882)	posted July 13, 2000 11:58 PM 6 per day for 6 weeks, deca is fine, and primo pick up in the 6th week and use 400mg per week and taper down to 200mg..only my opinion IP: Logged
animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 882)	posted July 14, 2000 12:00 AM forgot the test..sostanon in this, now your talking.. IP: Logged
jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273)	posted July 14, 2000 12:02 AM I would spread out the d-bol for at least two more weeks, probably three. I would take it 3,4,5,5,4,3 tabs per day. Optimize the growth potential of a fairly decent growth promoter. Also, there are those that would say that Clomid isn't necessary that early in the cycle. Just my opinion. Keep us posted. get big or get out IP: Logged
THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 859)	posted July 14, 2000 12:04 AM I agree Animal. Sust is the best form of test for most users. IP: Logged
bb4424 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 54)	posted July 14, 2000 12:06 AM I thought I was not supposed to pyramid up with dbol? i can put some sustanon 250 in this....how much and when? IP: Logged
jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273)	posted July 14, 2000 12:07 AM Where the hell are you guys reading test in that post? get big or get out IP: Logged
THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 859)	posted July 14, 2000 12:09 AM Taper down. Start with your highest dosage and taper from there. 500mgs/week of sust. should be fine for you. I go with 750. IP: Logged
animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 882)	posted July 14, 2000 12:11 AM wasnt in the post , it was suggested to help achieve what this person wants, I never taper dball others do, everyone is different, but it is not necessary to use more than 6 weeks...the sos from week 1 - 3 750mg 4-6 500mg 7-8 250mg IP: Logged
jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273)	posted July 14, 2000 12:12 AM I have always had good results with a little pyramid. If you are out for reducing water and perhaps some bf towards the end of your cycle, then I would use the sost if avail. concurrently with the d-bol. Stick with 500mg weeks 1-6 and let the natural taper take place. get big or get out IP: Logged
bb4424 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 54)	posted July 14, 2000 12:18 AM Thanks a lot. I will rework the cycle. Sustanon is needed. So be it! Week1 6dbol/day, 400 Deca/week, Clom 50 EOD Week2 5dbol/day, 400 Deca/week, Clom 50 EOD Week3 4dbol/day, 400 Deca/week, Clom 50 EOD Week4 3dbol/day400 Deca/week, 400 first day then 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD Week5 2dbol/day400 Deca/week, 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD, 500 Sust. Week6 400 Deca/week, 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD, 500 Sust. Week7 400 Deca/week, 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD, 500 Sust. Week8 400 Deca/week, 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD, 500 Sust. Week9 400 Deca/week, 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD, 500 Sust. Week10 400 Deca/week, 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD, 500 Sust. Week11 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 50 EOD Clen2/day, 250 Sust. Week12 200 Primo every 4th day, clomid 100 ED clen 3/day, 250 Sust. Week14 Clomid 100 ED, Clen 2/day Week15 Clomid 50 EOD, Clen 3/day like this or do the sust with the dbol from the gates?? IP: Logged
gamer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 190)	posted July 14, 2000 12:21 AM sus at 500mg would definitely help here and is the easiest test on your health in my oppinion. Up the d-bol to about 35-40 mgs. and keep it there for five weeks. Add the primo in after that if you already have it. (if not use the money to buy sus)It will help to solidify the gains the d-bol gave. i would take clomid EOD throughout if I were you as you are going to shut your nuts down even with just the deca and your current low dose of d-bol. Good luck IP: Logged
jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273)	posted July 14, 2000 12:23 AM Hit the sost from the start. Why taper down to 2 d-bol, you might as well just eat more protein during that week. get big or get out IP: Logged
THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 859)	posted July 14, 2000 12:51 AM bb4424, Start with 8 d-bol a day, 750mgs sust. a week and 400mgs deca a week taper from there. Hit the primo and maybe some winny at the end of cycle. IP: Logged
bb4424 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 54)	posted July 14, 2000 12:54 AM thanks a lot guys....I am going to rework and see what is in the budget... I can definitely get some test cyp. 200mg 10ml? Is that better than sost? IP: Logged
THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 859)	posted July 14, 2000 12:57 AM No, but it will work in place of sust. IP: Logged
AUSTIN Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36)	posted July 14, 2000 10:34 AM gotta have the dbol..good jumpstarter. Up the mg's a little though(if you can) IP: Logged
DYLAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 290)	posted July 14, 2000 11:08 AM Suggestions: Up the dbol to at least 30mgs a day, for 5 weeks tapering down. Taper the deca down at the end. Taper down the primo. Get some test. D. IP: Logged
jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273)	posted July 14, 2000 01:04 PM I would also taper down the deca at the end. You are looking at a possible case of deca dick with the decrease in androgens at the end of you cycle. get big or get out IP: Logged

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