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Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 956) |
posted July 13, 2000 08:01 PM
FBI e-mail Snooping Device Attacked Author(s): D. IAN HOPPER, Associated Press Writer Story Filed: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 8:12 AM EDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- Civil liberties and privacy groups are railing against a new system designed to allow law enforcement agents to intercept and analyze huge amounts of e-mail in connection with an investigation. The system, called ''Carnivore,'' was first hinted at on April 6 in testimony to a House subcommittee. Now the FBI has it in use. When Carnivore is placed at an Internet service provider, it scans all incoming and outgoing e-mails for messages associated with the target of a criminal probe. In a letter addressed to two members of the House subcommittee that deals with Fourth Amendment search-and-seizure issues, the American Civil Liberties Union argued that the system breaches the Internet provider's rights and the rights of all its customers by reading both sender and recipient addresses, as well as subject lines of e-mails, to decide whether to make a copy of the entire message. Further, while the system is plugged into the Internet provider's systems, it is controlled solely by the law enforcement agency. In a traditional wiretap, the tap is physically placed and maintained by the telephone company. ''Carnivore is roughly equivalent to a wiretap capable of accessing the contents of the conversations of all of the phone company's customers, with the 'assurance' that the FBI will record only conversations of the specified target,'' read the letter. ''This 'trust us, we are the government' approach is the antithesis of the procedures required under our wiretapping laws.'' Barry Steinhardt, associate director of the ACLU, said citizens shouldn't trust that such a sweeping data-tap will only be used against criminal suspects. And even then, he said, the data mined by Carnivore, particularly subject lines, are already intrusive. ''Law enforcement should be prohibited from installing any device that allows them to intercept communications from persons other than the target,'' Steinhardt said in an interview. ''When conducting these kinds of investigations, the information should be restricted to only addressing information.'' A spokeswoman for Rep. Charles T. Canady, R-Fla., who heads the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution, said the congressman had no comment on the letter. In testimony to Canady's subcommittee, Robert Corn-Revere, a lawyer at the Hogan & Hartson law firm in Washington, said he represented an Internet provider that refused to install the Carnivore system. The provider was placed in an ''awkward position,'' Corn-Revere said, because the company feared suits from customers unhappy with the government looking into all the e-mail. ''It was acknowledged (by the government) that Carnivore would enable remote access to the ISP's network and would be under the exclusive control of government agents,'' Corn-Revere said. Corn-Revere told the committee that current law is insufficient to deal with Carnivore's potential and that the Internet provider lost its court battle in part because of the Internet's connection to telephone lines, and that the law was stretched to cover the Internet as well. Corn-Revere would not reveal the name of his client, and the client lost the case. He said the FBI has been using Carnivore since early this year. James X. Dempsey, senior staff counsel at the Center for Democracy and Technology, said the main problem with Carnivore is its mystery. ''The FBI is placing a black box inside the computer network of an ISP,'' Dempsey said. ''Not even the ISP knows exactly what that gizmo is doing.'' But Dempsey said Internet providers contributed to the problem, by saying that current technology does not allow the Internet provider to sort out exactly what the government is entitled to get under a search warrant. The carriers complained that they had to give everything to the FBI. ''The service providers said they didn't know how to comply with court orders,'' Dempsey said. ''By taking that position, they have hurt themselves, putting themselves into a box.'' Marcus Thomas, who heads the FBI's cybertechnology section, told the Wall Street Journal that the bureau has about 20 Carnivore systems, which are PCs with proprietary software. He said Carnivore meets current wiretapping laws, but is designed to keep up with the Internet. ''This is just a specialized sniffer,'' Thomas told the Journal, which first reported details about Carnivore. Encrypted e-mail, done with an e-mail encoding program like PGP, still stays in code on Carnivore, and it's up to agents to decode it. Dempsey has a possible solution to the problem, though one that's probably unlikely -- show everyone what it does and how it does it, allowing Internet providers to install the software themselves. ''The FBI should make this gizmo an open-source product,'' he said. ''Then the secret is gone.'' On the Net: Federal Bureau of Investigation: http://www.fbi.gov American Civil Liberties Union: http://www.aclu.org Center for Democracy and Technology: http://www.cdt.org Pretty Good Privacy (PGP): www.pgp.com ------------------ IP: Logged |
Mojo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 409) |
posted July 13, 2000 08:08 PM
That's F***** UP. IP: Logged |
mistah_d Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 77) |
posted July 13, 2000 08:14 PM
There's a post from earlier today regarding this too...check it out.As always, assume the worst when it comes to privacy infringement. not only can the govt read your emails, but in some cases, so can others. I should now, I'm in the infosec biz... IP: Logged |
~Goku~ Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 66) |
posted July 13, 2000 08:15 PM
I am glad I do not live in your country. ~Goku~ IP: Logged |
mistah_d Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 77) |
posted July 13, 2000 08:22 PM
bad news goku, they have the ability to read yours too. Depending on where you're from, the may be more likely to be monitoring your network traffic... IP: Logged |
BACKDRAFT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 223) |
posted July 13, 2000 08:25 PM
As every day goes buy,the net is getting squeezed.Well did you think it was going to last forever? IP: Logged |
Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 956) |
posted July 13, 2000 08:28 PM
yup ------------------ IP: Logged |
Unity66 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 135) |
posted July 13, 2000 08:29 PM
Fuck em...with todays encryption technology we can bypass these types of intrusions. I use PGP, a hushmail account and an excellent firewall (freeware): www.zonealarm.com For various security needs check out: http://www.winappslist.com/security/security.htm If you need a crack to register a specific prog then go to: http://www.astalavista.com/ We should all be either using PGP or a hushmail account to combat this type of thing. Unity66 IP: Logged |
DREXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 352) |
posted July 13, 2000 08:34 PM
I agree about PGP check it out: http://www.pgpI.org/ [This message has been edited by DREXX (edited July 13, 2000).] IP: Logged |
mistah_d Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 77) |
posted July 13, 2000 08:36 PM
not to be a techie or anything, but PGP uses asymm keys, i.e. pub and private. Depending on the 'crypt you're using (DES, 3DES, Blowfish, etc) the encryption has and is crackable. I agree it's a good prevention method, but not foolproof and not everyone's that interested or able to use the tools you and I use to protect our info. You know, if they make it, someone will break it, it's only a matter of time... IP: Logged |
Unity66 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 135) |
posted July 13, 2000 09:10 PM
DES and triple-DES are shit! DES was created by a government agency, and is a weak algorithm. It would take considerable resources to crack a 4096-bit message using an algorithm such as IDEA, Cast or Blowfish. These progs are not difficult to use...that is if one can read and write! Additional resources to check out: http://www.jjtc.com/Security/crypto.htm It would take considerable time and resources to crack such a message, provided one uses a strong password that has not been compromised by a keylogger...etc. A tempest attack would probably be needed to crack such a message. After I posted my original message, my firewall said: Time: 7/13/00 19:49:06 Whom this is I dont know...maybe I pissed off a fed-isnt anonymity great Unity66 IP: Logged |
Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 956) |
posted July 13, 2000 09:24 PM
f them feds ------------------ IP: Logged |
biggmack Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273) |
posted July 13, 2000 09:25 PM
Fuckin' punks! IP: Logged |
turbo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 4) |
posted July 13, 2000 09:42 PM
That's fuckin communisim IP: Logged |
jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 295) |
posted July 13, 2000 09:48 PM
OH MY!
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tb huge Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 71) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:03 AM
I tried telling you guys that this country is going to an anarchist country but someone deleted my post!!!!! They are taking away everything away from us, yet this is the Land of the FREE........Time to move out of the country.....
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td24 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 71) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:06 AM
FUCK BILL CLINTON!!!!! IP: Logged |
animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 892) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:08 AM
To the FBI, DEA, CIA, read all you want, I dont give a f%$"k, there is something called right to privacy....keep that in mind when consulting with your attornies IP: Logged |
THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 884) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:45 AM
I hope the ACLU is fighting this, but until then I installed a firewall and will be using other precautions. IP: Logged |
Unity66 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 135) |
posted July 14, 2000 01:58 AM
How ya been saint? going to drop you another e-mail soon. I recommend that all the bros check out these sites posted on this thread. Anonymity is essential to ones personal choices/freedom. Unity66 IP: Logged |
ChaosXL Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 9) |
posted July 14, 2000 02:06 AM
Thank for the info Bros! And all you tech-gearheads thanx for the info on protecting are privacy. ChaosXL "Reinventing the Steel" IP: Logged |
benchmaster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 74) |
posted July 14, 2000 05:00 AM
Guys, The best thing to do is to use your brain to begin with and not to worry about such devices. If you Have done your homework properly, then you have nothing to worry about. Think about it guys..If you are taking Steroids, then Most likely you are in violation of the written laws of the us and other countries...so we need to keep it smart,( if you are going to use), and fight this stupid law controlling these drugs. These laws were made because our government thinks we are mostly ignorant people who will kill themselves on these drugs... lets show them otherwise by keeping it smart! THIS BOARD IS AN EXCELLENT START!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
5setsofsix Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 21) |
posted July 14, 2000 08:33 AM
Hushmail claims they dont log IP addresses. Is there anyway to track email back to the sender without an IP? IP: Logged |
ulter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 134) |
posted July 14, 2000 10:01 AM
Like the ACLU rep says in this article it is way to broad in scope. They are reading mail of people not currently under investigation. It will not survive a challenge by the ACLU in court. They are using wire-tap laws which require a court order by a judge and can only be used for 180 days after which time they must notify the suspect that they have been "listening". Under THIS system, they are not notifying any of the thousands of people who are not targets of the investigation that their privacy has been compromised. This is pure showboating by the FBI. The Federal Court system will shoot this down with a cannon. IP: Logged |
FitnessChick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 977) |
posted July 14, 2000 10:37 AM
welcome to the downfall of free america. IP: Logged |
Green Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 204) |
posted July 14, 2000 10:48 AM
I THOUGHT I LIVED IN AMERICA!!! First prostitution, then gun control and now we can't have any privacy on the net? What's next? While were at it let's just abolish search warrants too. Such bullshit!!!! Later, Green IP: Logged |
Kingpin Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted July 14, 2000 10:49 AM
I wish this kind of "security" was being used when shit disappeared from Los Alamos, and other U.S. nuclear arms facilities! The government will never leave us alone. Love your country... But don't trust your government. Damn! IP: Logged |
XXXL Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 313) |
posted July 14, 2000 10:50 AM
this country is going to hell. big brother will always try stuff like this because sometimes people just roll over and take it. when shit like this gets started, you have to jump on it right away. if we don't jump on something like this, once everybody gets used to it, they'll take it a step further, and when we get used to that, another step futher. we are slowly giving up our rights in this country. or rights to appeal, our rights to privacy, and sooo many others. worries the hell out of me sorry about that, i'm just venting. IP: Logged |
denmaur Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 357) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:14 AM
I never thought I would agree with the ACLU on anything but I have to on this one. IP: Logged |
ulter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 134) |
posted July 14, 2000 11:54 AM
After being shown up by hackers from Russia to the Philippians the FBI is just posturing and saying look what we can do, look what we can do. That plug pulling sound they hear will be a Federal Judge saying look what I can do. IP: Logged |
PeteyPete Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 112) |
posted July 14, 2000 12:37 PM
Unity, i took your advise on downloading the zonealarm firewall, i've already had three attacks on my computer. Three different IP's were all trying to gain access. omg, i never knew that this shit happened so often. Since i have a cable modem i'm always on which makes it easier for peps to get in. thanx for the links!!!!!!!!!! IP: Logged |
Nick Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34) |
posted July 14, 2000 04:30 PM
Well, Clinton won't be President too much longer, maybe the next guy will be like, "why the hell do we have all this shit?" Maybe he will think about saving his own money and at the same time the government will have to leave us alone. DAMN nick IP: Logged |
Nick Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34) |
posted July 14, 2000 04:30 PM
Well, Clinton won't be President too much longer, maybe the next guy will be like, "why the hell do we have all this shit?" Maybe he will think about saving his own money and at the same time the government will have to leave us alone. DAMN nick IP: Logged |
AUSTIN Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted July 14, 2000 04:33 PM
Never Trust anyone. Not even yourself. IP: Logged |
Kingpin Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted July 14, 2000 04:33 PM
Bump for the links. IP: Logged |
JUICESEEKER Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 244) |
posted July 14, 2000 04:34 PM
WHAT THE F**K IS THE COUNTRY COMING TO? IP: Logged |
Unity66 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 135) |
posted July 14, 2000 06:25 PM
Glad to help peteypete...all you bros should check out these resources, esp if you have a cable modem and your ip never changes Unity66 IP: Logged |
evissam Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 40) |
posted July 14, 2000 07:24 PM
I just saw it on CNN this morning. Do we have to resort to talking in code in "the land of the free"? IP: Logged |
Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 956) |
posted July 14, 2000 09:26 PM
i think this is one of many future privacy issues ------------------ IP: Logged |
mokhtarsayed Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 147) |
posted July 15, 2000 12:00 PM
Bump for some great info. ------------------ _______________________ IP: Logged |
evissam Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 40) |
posted July 15, 2000 01:11 PM
bump,,, IP: Logged |
LEGEND Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 172) |
posted July 15, 2000 01:13 PM
how about this, asshole pataki(nyc) is passing a law against make racial comments,(race, religion,etc.) how the fuck can they tell you what you can and cannot say, i believe one of our constitutional rights was freedom of speech IP: Logged |
thermo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 71) |
posted July 15, 2000 02:56 PM
an email adress your govt cant read -its encrypted www.hushmail.com free IP: Logged |
Unity66 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 135) |
posted July 15, 2000 11:30 PM
Back up there...anonymity is essential! Unity66 IP: Logged |
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