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 INSULIN USE WITH GROWTH HELP!
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crumly5 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted July 13, 2000 02:33 AM
  
My gh is due in tommorow I`m usung 12 Iu`s a day. Still have not figured out the optimal way to use the insulin with it. I do not want to get fat! And also I have heard it is best to use thyroid with it I have cynomel should I use it with it? Any help would be appreciated I really want to find out what the stuff is all about! IP: Logged |
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Lqdmscle Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 156) |
posted July 13, 2000 05:05 AM
At least 4 ius a day. 2 days on 1 off. Insulin is 5-10 units a day. I would start with 5 units and then work your way up. You have to see what 5 units will do to you first. How long should you use HGH? As long as you can afford it. IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 301) |
posted July 13, 2000 02:12 PM
Take your insulin and GH post workout when the cells will use it optimally. Be sure to get at least 100 grams of SIMPLE carbs, 40-50 grams protien, and throw in 15 grams of Creatine for good measure. I like the idea of starting the insulin dose moderately 5iu's initially. Fat storage is a little more forgiving when using insulin with GH. Keep us posted get big or get out IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 301) |
posted July 14, 2000 01:14 PM
I think this post needs repeating, it has been asked a few times lately. BUMP
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crumly5 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted July 16, 2000 03:25 AM
Eveyone says I`m supposed to feel the insulin out to know if I am taking it correctly. I can handle this but can someone tell me what I`m supposed to feel! Does it make you feel like crap? Pumped? And also dieing is not on my agenda so I was wondering is five Iu`s definately safe to start with? I`m starting the GH monday 9 IU`s and I`m going to build up to 12 I weigh in at 285 5 foot 11 inchs pretty damn fat right now but leaning up. I`m taking 50mgs. of dianabol 4 sostenon a week and 400 mgs. of deca. What do you guys think the outcome will be? Oh yeah I`m staying on the cycle for 8wks. Staying on the GH.........If it works out right for.......Life.(LOL) IP: Logged |
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XXXL Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 318) |
posted July 16, 2000 03:34 AM
you are taking 50 mg of dbol per day? and 9-12 IU's of gh per day? ect? i think that's way too much. if you are going to cycle gh i wouldn't over do it because at a certain point you won't get any extra benefits out of it and will be wasting it. gh is too expensive. explain your cycle a little better and we can help. it's late and maybe i'm missing something. should be a great cycle though. IP: Logged |
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300 kleen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2453) |
posted July 16, 2000 12:35 PM
Got this from and Anabolic article. ------------------------------------------ Around 1 IU per 15-20 lb. of bodyweight, administered immediately after training. It is often reported by athletes that the addition of insulin and a thyroid hormone such as Cytomel (T-3) or Synthroid (T-4) will counter this hormonal reduction and greatly enhance the effects of GH therapy. Insulin for instance not only helps to promote protein synthesis, but it also increases the transport of select amino acids and glucose into muscle cells (2), two extremely important activities in the quest for an anabolic state. Thyroid hormones also help to maintain an enhanced thermogenic (fat-burning) and anabolic state by maintaining a normal or enhanced level of cellular metabolic activity. We must remember that thyroid hormones are the primary regulators of body metabolism, and as such they effect not only the rate in which fats are utilized by the body, but also proteins and carbohydrates. Left unchecked, a lowering of insulin and thyroid hormone concentrations will at some level work against the anabolic and thermogenic activities of growth hormone. Insulin therapy may also be of great benefit for less simple reasons. The first reason being that insulin directly lowers the level of certain IGF binding proteins in the blood (3,4). The background here is very similar to what we see with testosterone. Only a small fraction of the hormone is actually free to interact with receptors at any given time, as most is found in "bound" form, meaning the hormone is temporarily attached to a protein that restricts it from exerting any action. Only once it detaches from the binding protein is it active. With IGF-1 we wee a similar relationship between the free percentage at any given point and the level of activity displayed. As we increase the unbound fraction of hormone, we clearly salso increase the anabolic response as more hormone is free to bind with receptors. For some reason anabolic steroid use has also been linked to a lowering of a specific IGF binding protein (IGFBP-3), which appears to be another method that steroids can enhance the anabolic effect of GH therapy (5). ------------------ IP: Logged |
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