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 Effectiveness of Primobolan? First cycle. Expert help need!
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 12, 2000 03:37 AM
 
I'm interested in taking my first cycle. I am 20 and looking to use something that is not harsh on the body, has moderately good lean mass gains, and that is high in keeps. All of my initial research and conversation with people has me leaning towards using injectable primobolan for about 12 weeks at a steady 200 a week. I like what I've heard about Primobolan. Supposedly it is not androgenic, is very mild, does not put on water, has great keeps, and is affordable. I'm not willing to stack and I don't want to deal with a shit load of side effects. Has anyone used this alone and gotten as good of results as I'm hearing? Can anyone confirm my research? Is the asking price of $480 a good deal for 24 viles of 100 (12 weeks worth)? Any help will be greatly appreciated. IP: Logged |
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JaySee Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 150) |
posted July 12, 2000 07:57 AM
if this is your 1st cycle, and you are committed to primo only, then you need to up those dosages to a minimum of 300mg per week. What you should do however is do some dbol for the first 6 weeks at 30mg, 30mg, 30mg, 25mg, 25mg, 20mg. Do this along with 400mg per week of primo for 8 - 10 weeks. If you eat right and train hard, you will get good, permanent gains. IP: Logged |
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denmaur Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 350) |
posted July 12, 2000 08:10 AM
Ditto JaySee, I started a primo only cycle at 200mg per week and increased to 300 mg per week in week 6 because of a lack of results. With primo the gains are moderate and permanent so its perfect for someone who only wants to gain 7 to 12 lbs. BTW that price sounds high. Try $14 per amp. Email me if you want to discuss. IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 446) |
posted July 12, 2000 09:47 AM
Hi Kwai, well I did Primo for a full year (3 cycles of 12 weeks, with 4 weeks rest). You will need 12 weeks because Primo kicks in around week 5 or 6. I started with 200 mgr/week, second cycle 300 mgr/week, third cycle 300 mgr/week, a few weeks 400 mgr/week. I didn't have enough for 400 mgr/week for 12 weeks. I gained 10 kg (22 pounds) and remained at the same bodyfat, that's way I know I gained 22 pounds. The good part is, I didn't take any protein, just eating twice a day, in the morning only sweets, so that doesn't count so much. I will do another Primo cycle beginning in august for 12 weeks, this time the full 400 mgr every week and if results stay away, going up to 500 or 600 mgr/week. (I know have the Primo I need.) I will try go gain another 10 pounds on this. All I can say to you is, just do it, go for the full 12 weeks, if not satisfied you can always do a second cycle and stack it with another roid like Winstrol (since you don't like the water retention and don't like the fat, I think). ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short IP: Logged |
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Ice Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 471) |
posted July 12, 2000 10:01 AM
The other brothers summed up the Primo scenario pretty well. So I'll just say @ $480 you are getting ripped off. Street price on Primo is $15-$17 per amp. IP: Logged |
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 12, 2000 02:53 PM
Thanks for all the replys everybody! I am so grateful to you all. Jeff, how were your gains after the first cycle where you did 12 weeks at 200/week? And is 20 per amp really too high? What kind of diet should I be taking when I'm on a cycle of this stuff? Should I double my protein and calories? What supplements should I take and not take when using it? IP: Logged |
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gamer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 186) |
posted July 12, 2000 03:33 PM
I did a low first cycle as well and knowing what I know now I would change this. I used deca at 200mg and primo at 150mg, with winny also at 150. I would give anything to go back and do it right. If you don't want to use test (which I would recommend) then at least up your anabolics and stack say a deca (or EQ) and winny. 400 and 50 EOD respectively. You should not have many side effects at all from this. Deca is pretty easy on you with the exception of the progestinic PMS (deca dick) which occurs. At least consider this and get more oppinions before you commit to a primo only cycle. You'lle be wasting your virgen receptors on a pretty low dose of an anabolic. In short your cheating yourself out of gains. there is no cycle like your first cycle. IP: Logged |
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COnCReTE_MAsS Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted July 12, 2000 03:43 PM
i did it at 300/week for 6 weeks and gained 3 kg but with lots of protiens IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 446) |
posted July 12, 2000 04:17 PM
6 weeks of Primo is not enough. The results come after 5 or 6 weeks, so you stopped to soon. The best was yet to come. But maybe if you ran out of Primo, and it is expensive ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short IP: Logged |
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 12, 2000 04:35 PM
Hey Jeff! Could you please look above and answer my second post. Thanks. IP: Logged |
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 12, 2000 04:48 PM
I just want to repeat what I said about not wanting to stack or use anything harsh. I am 20 and currently stand at 6'2" 230lbs. I am a martial artist, not really a competitive bodybuilder. I just want something that will put on a descent amount of muscle with great keep value. The primobolan seems like the way to go for me. This might be something I do maybe once every 1 or 2 years. So I really only need primo advice and info. I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone, but this is as far as I wanna take this thing. I'm not looking to go out of control. IP: Logged |
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 12, 2000 08:12 PM
Please respond! I still need lots of help and opinions! IP: Logged |
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glenbenton Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 598) |
posted July 12, 2000 08:20 PM
dude you shouldent even do roids until your like over 25. im 21 and im gonna wait a few more years to see how far i can get naturally. good thing i threw away that finaplix garbage before it really fucked me up IP: Logged |
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ghans Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 114) |
posted July 12, 2000 08:25 PM
$20 per amp is a little steep. $12-$15 is about the going rate for primo. I would use 300-400mg. per week for 12 wks. ghans IP: Logged |
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denmaur Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 350) |
posted July 12, 2000 08:49 PM
Dude what more do you want to hear? Your questions been answered. If you think you need more info go back and search the posts. Thats what you should have done in the first place. I take that back, the FIRST thing is to read the newbie post which you obviously didnt pay attention to. IP: Logged |
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 12, 2000 09:22 PM
Hey Denmaur! I'm not trying to piss people off but I'm desperate for the information. I'm not going to be a dumbass like half the guys I know and just start putting stuff in my body. I started this post because I wanted specific input, not a general mass diagnosis of information. There are some very helpful and patient people in here that remember what it was like to once be in my shoes. If you can get past the cloud of roid rage or PMS that your having, I suggest you follow their lead. IP: Logged |
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denmaur Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 350) |
posted July 12, 2000 09:28 PM
Actually its just impatience at your lack of common sense. There is a search button in the upper right hand corner of your screen. Those of use who have been on the board for longer than a week have used that button extensively to search for the info we want BEFORE posting the question. I promise you, whatever you want to know has already been asked and answered on here more than once. Again, read the newbie post. The reason the MODS keep it active is for people new to the board, hence the term "newbie". IP: Logged |
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tri~zilla Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 307) |
posted July 12, 2000 09:40 PM
kwai-chang whoever, if you are accusing denmaur of roid rage then you haven't done enough research, once you've actually done a few cycles you'll realize that roid rage is way over dramatized. and i know what you're thinking, these guys have done so much juice that they think i have to take a ton of it. not true, juice isn't magic bro. you can't IP: Logged |
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 12, 2000 10:52 PM
Guys I'm sorry. I read the newbie page and I'll try to make better decisions from now on. However I did check the search engine and I found nothing of SPECIFIC help. My bad Denmaur. I shouldn't have spouted off like that, but all I'm trying to do is educate myself. Peace. IP: Logged |
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 12, 2000 11:27 PM
Alot of you guys have stated your skepticism of a primo only cycle. What cycles do you suggest? Is primo and deca a good first cycle stack? What's a good first time cycle? What's the going rate for these cycles? Are there any efective first time cycles within the $400-$500 range? I am so sorry to bother you guys about this, but you are all far more educated about this subject than I. Please don't hate me. If you respond, specifics such as dosage, price, and so on will be very helpful. IP: Logged |
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glenbenton Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 598) |
posted July 13, 2000 12:20 AM
dude why would you waste your money on this bullshit anyway? doing any roids at 20 is stupid, you will never know how much you could have gained naturally with out it. dude some people start roids after working out only six months of training, i think thats fucking retarted IP: Logged |
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tnheygirl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49) |
posted July 13, 2000 12:28 AM
Hey bros There's no sense in jumpin all over the guy. If he's here he's probably going to do it despite his age or us telling him not to so why not give him the help he's asking for? I know some of you did and yes he should look over alll the posts (before asking repetitive questions)he may find more than what he's looking for on his own and change his mind. Peace ------------------ IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3198) |
posted July 13, 2000 12:34 AM
Your original cycle will be just fine. With a high protein diet and around 3000-4000 quality calories per day, you can expect to gain about 10-15 pounds of lean muscle mass. You will get very hard and dense. You will probably lose a little fat (mainly through gaining lean body mass). You will get much stronger and get great pumps. You definitely do not need more gear for your first cycle. You are not a bodybuilder and are not looking for mass. I believe martial artists would rather stay lean and hard. As long as the gear is legit and the dealer is local than $20 is not a bad price. You can take your chances on the net, but you may get burned.
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 13, 2000 01:20 AM
Glenbenton: Too young? You really think so? I thought this was the oppertune time for me physically to take advantage of gains. Waiting to see what I can be by 25 is not a real worry for me. I have no ego about this. Are you saying I'm too young because medically speaking I am? Or because you yourself believe I'm cheating? Does anyone else think I am too young? Will being my age hinder my health, my results, and my long term gains? BTW I'm 20. 2Thick: IP: Logged |
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tnheygirl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49) |
posted July 13, 2000 01:28 AM
Hey I don't think it has anything to do with cheating. Young men don't realize that despite what the sex ed teacher has told you, you may not be done growing. Many people for whatever reason actually keep growing at your age. You don't want to mess it up. You have not finished filling out at 20 and you may even grow an inch or two more. These findings are finally coming around. Just my .02 ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 446) |
posted July 13, 2000 08:28 AM
Sorry Kwai, didn't look carefully enough. Well it is hard to say how much I gained the first cycle, I didn't write it down. But being off the Primo for 4 weeks I didn't loose anything. Restarted as mentionned for another cycle. You could see it as a one year cycle with rest pauses in between. As for diet, can well be lots of protein will help speed up things. Be carefull not to gain fat when using much calories. Your question why almost everyone want's you to stack Primo with another roid: well most guys want to get huge, fast, but that's not your goal. The price for Primo 20 $ an amp, for the States it is maybe the common price. It goes between 17$ - 20$, cheaper outside the U.S.A. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short IP: Logged |
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 13, 2000 01:31 PM
Is supplementing effective during a cycle or should things like Creatine and Glutamine be avoided because of the water retention? What supplements do you all suggest? And what are your thoughts on cardio during a cycle? Will doing it hinder my lean mass gains and strength, or will it help me and also increase my definition? If I eat high protein and overall calories, keep lifting hard, and do the cardio all throughout the cycle, can I expect good results? IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 446) |
posted July 13, 2000 02:38 PM
I would take it easy on the cardio unless you want to throw in some Winstrol Depot. Winstrol is great for doing cardio and not loosing anything. But since it will be an only Primo cycle and since it will be only 200 mgr/week, I myself would take it easy on the cardio. I don't know for the Glutamine, but Creatine is great for holding water while you think you gain muscle. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3198) |
posted July 13, 2000 02:51 PM
All AAS is anti-catabolic. This means you can do carido and mostly lose fat on gear. You will not gain as much lean body mass because you will be expending calories running. It will increase definition, though. Glutamine is a must and so is creatine. If you do cardio during an otherwise great cycle, you will just lean out more and gain a bit less muscle. It may be what you are looking for though. I would actually suggest using clenbluteral after a cycle. It will help you melt off the fat, while keeping you in an anti-catabolic stage. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com IP: Logged |
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 13, 2000 03:19 PM
So Creatine and Glutamine in, and cardio out. Any other supplement suggestions for during a cycle? Will my martial arts training be affected or will it (martial arts) effect my results any. I suspect its not nearly as bad as the cardio would be as far as hindering my gains. Should I try something like a Cell-Tech instead of plain creatine? You guys and gals are truly awesome for helping me with your suggestions and opinions. Thanks! IP: Logged |
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted July 13, 2000 11:01 PM
BUMP! IP: Logged |
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