posted July 11, 2000 09:24 AM         

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Hey, guys I need a little help here. I know quite a few of you are on the juice but were probably at one time "natural". Well, I've been training naturally for 5 yrs now and have managed to go from 190@ 23% bodyfat to 182@ 9%bodyfat. Along the way I've tried stuff like ephedrine but that's it, next to that the next craziest thing that I've ever done would have to be downing 40 raw egg whites a day. I train high intensity to failure and beyond and though I'm stronger than a lot of people I see who juice, they are bigger... . Recently, a friend I know has experienced fantastic results in 2 months taking Clen and he offered to get me some. I made a promise never to use 'roids when I started but right now the temptation is getting to me. Was wondering if any of you bros have any advice to offer or have faced the same situation as me.....

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posted July 11, 2000 09:29 AM         

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BRo, clen isn't a steroid, it will aid you in fat loss though. As far as a moral dilemma, i just had to sit down and decide what i wanted more and weigh out the risks. After doing so i decided to do a cycle and i in NO way regret doing it. I gained more in those 8 weeks than i did lifting the prior 4 years. But others can't decide this for you, the dilemma is something you yourself will have to decide. The decision is yours

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posted July 11, 2000 09:29 AM            

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It's time!!! Welcome to the brotherhood!!

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posted July 11, 2000 09:30 AM            

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DRRMan said it as well as I ever could.

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posted July 11, 2000 09:36 AM            

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Well said DRRman.

It's your decision bro, and yours only! Just way the pro's and con's and see if the end justify's the means.

Pitbull

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posted July 11, 2000 09:37 AM         

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If Clen is not an anabolic steriod, what is it? My friend who used it for two months put a hell lotta mass and attributed it to Clen.... How does clen work and is it harmful?

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posted July 11, 2000 09:41 AM         

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The first thing you want to consider before you start taking AS is your age. How old are you? I wouldn't start until my early to mid 20's.

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posted July 11, 2000 09:43 AM            

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"This is a very interesting drug, which has recently become popular amongst bodybuilders.

Clenbuterol itself, is a third generation beta agonist. Clenbuterol's use as a bodybuilding drug item from a number of medical reviews which have cited its outstanding potential to promote muscle gains as well as fat loss. It has been used in parts of England for several years by a limited number of elite athletes. More recently, due to the steroid crackdown, there have been an increasing number of American bodybuilders that are experimenting with this drug. Clenbuterol is indeed the most intriguing ergogenic aid I have studied with the sole exception of anabolic steroids.

Many athletes who use Clenbuterol claim that it promotes dramatic strength increases and a very noticeable reduction in body fat some athletes claim that they enjoyed significant gains in muscle mass while using Clenbuterol. Clenbuterol's most valid application seems to be as a pre-contest, cutting drug. It is not banned by any athletic committee; thus, numerous professional bodybuilders have used it for the last month of contest preparation. Athletes have used between 60-120 mcgs taken in divided doses daily. Because it causes a great deal of receptor downgrade it should not be used continually. Research shows that using it for two days, then taking two days off prevents attenuation. Cycles range from 6-12 weeks in length. Side effects include nervousness, tremors of the hands, headaches, and insomnia. Usually these side effects are dose related. It comes in 20 mcg tablets. Clenbuterol is being counterfeited under numerous manufacturer names in the United States."

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posted July 11, 2000 09:45 AM            

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No, natural is for life, it wont go away, it doesnt cause depression because 4 weeks before you got off you were benching 400 and now you cant get 275 for 1 rep. Stick to a solid diet, train properly and be consistent, make it a lifestyle, be obsessive and your goals will be easily attainable. Good luck with whatever decision you make. This is just my own opinion.

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posted July 11, 2000 09:47 AM            

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Clen IS a steroid, I think its given to race horses, anyway it is schedule III just like all other gear. Bro if it helps, when I started I was all natural and got very far, I never really thought much about roids cuz I was making such good gains naturally. After being stuck at 205 lbs for a whole year I got tired of it. I never realized how many people do juice, and alot of them look like shit, and I was bigger naturally then some of these guys were on juice. I don't see any kind of moral issue about it. People who go to GNC and take andro supplements, what's the difference, they are buying it on the intention that it will convert to testosterone. The only difference is the legal issue, u have to break the law and commit a felony when u decide to gear up.

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posted July 11, 2000 09:51 AM         

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Maybe clen is considered a roid, but i don't really think you are gonna gain any muscle from it, I dont' know anyone who has. If you are gonna use and think you are using steroids, at least use something that will work and not waste your money. That is if you are wanting to get BIG. Try deca,test,eq, winny etc, those will build muscle guaranteed

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posted July 11, 2000 09:52 AM         

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Clen is NOT a anabolic steroid.It will harden you up and give you a little strength increase.Its the first thing I ever used,cause I didn't want to use juice,but right after the clen I started taking juice anyway.Whatever your goals just make it a lifestyle choice and research before you jump in

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posted July 11, 2000 09:52 AM         

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Bodybuilding is my passion. I once was fat and made fun of and miserable. I develop an eating disorder and an image problem. Finally, I decided to change myself for the better poured my blood, sweat,tears and pain into my workouts. My determination in the gym has given me the powerful physique that I now carry. Now that the tables have turned, I don't boost my ego by putting others down. I try to give back to the sport because I believe in the spirit of the sport, and have helped 4 friends so far and have even gone so far as to help another friend shed 30kg by training him personally....... . But if i use 'roids won't I be defeating my believes in my own abilities and determination that started me off. If I turn to 'roids won't I be giving up my health and the very fight I chose to take up 5 yrs ago when I first made the decision to lift. Won't I be letting my friends who look up to me down?

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posted July 11, 2000 12:17 PM            

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Clenbuterol in NOT a steroid, and it is NOT a schedule III drug according to the US Code of Federal Regulations, Part 21, Sections 1300-end. It is a drug, that when prescribed for human use, is a bronchodilator, i.e. for asthma use, similar to ephedrine. It is simply not approved for use in the United States by the FDA.

When it is used for veterinary purposes, it is administered via injection, and in much larger concentrations that would be nearly fatal in humans. ONLY in this concentration has clenbuterol found to be even slightly anabolic.

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posted July 11, 2000 12:50 PM            

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You have answered your own question in your last post....the thought of using is really bothering you ....go natural until you can't grow anymore and then determine if you want to or not.....I for one do not have the genetics to be all I wanted to be ...maybe you do......good luck either way......just another opinion.....when in doubt .don't...wait until you are sure.....

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posted July 11, 2000 02:02 PM            

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damn hitter! how do you stay natural?! it must be like a porn film camera man that has chosen to remain celebate (sp?)! much props to you dude. you will make the right decision.
peace

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