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bdanto4 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted July 10, 2000 10:53 PM
  
Just a little suggestion for those of you trying to shed up... I trained with a friend today at the boxing club.. What a work-out! 10 times better then running or jogging! jumping rope, speed bag, heavy bag! whew! Not to mention you get them boxing skills up and you can take people twice your size! just a suggestion... IP: Logged |
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bollocks Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 175) |
posted July 10, 2000 10:57 PM
yep , thats what i do, me n my buddy box from time to time. there's the dance/aerobics section of the gym thats perfect for boxin, we got gloves and hand targets, just try it for 1 min then work up to 2 or 3 min. its the best ! IP: Logged |
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matty Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 981) |
posted July 10, 2000 10:59 PM
BOXING RULES, ALWAYS WONDERED WHEN THIS TOPIC WOULD SURFACE! SO ARE ANY BOXERS USING AS? IF SO WHICH TYPE OF AS? BUMP!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 609) |
posted July 10, 2000 11:31 PM
Yes, many boxers use AAS. The ones I've known have used mainly prop, fina and halo. IP: Logged |
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Buzzsaw Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 60) |
posted July 10, 2000 11:36 PM
Hell Ya Boxing kicks ass, I wish there was somewhere around here that taught boxing. It has always interested me. Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz IP: Logged |
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Unity66 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 99) |
posted July 10, 2000 11:46 PM
When I can make weight, I fight in the light-heavyweight class (amatuer). Its rough for me because I'm 5'6 (202lbs now)...but I boxed amatuer @ 170-175lbs. I was considerably stronger than those whom I fought...it can be difficult though to go 3 three minute rounds with guys who are 6'0 @175. I always had to be the aggressor and constantly move forward and work the body or id get killed (happened a couple of times) by those long arms. Guys I trained with would use trenbolone, halo (a favorite pre-contest drug!), suspension, winny and proprionate during the season. I actually had a friend of mine eat nothing but bread and water for three days before a fight...using laxatives the whole time. He asked me to get him lasix or aldactone but I refused. After the competitors were weighed, he ate a bowl of rice and threw it up...needless to say he lost the fight! Boxing-great cardio...works the lats, calves and shoulders well too Unity66 IP: Logged |
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matty Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 981) |
posted July 11, 2000 03:08 PM
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Pretty Boy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 18) |
posted July 11, 2000 03:44 PM
Forget boxers, the real badasses are Mixed Martial Artists who fight in events like Pride (Japan) and the UFC. Monsters like Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, Mark Kerr, and Mark Coleman are juiced to the tits and have legit shootfighting skills. They can probably break any boxer in half. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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charlie Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 377) |
posted July 11, 2000 03:50 PM
Dont get desperate Matty, you will get a 1,000 IP: Logged |
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gearface Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 394) |
posted July 11, 2000 03:53 PM
Ive always been interested in boxing also. I wish there was a place where i live that taught it as well. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Puc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 558) |
posted July 11, 2000 03:59 PM
I started jumping rope when I trained as a boxer for 6 months. Still think it is the best cardio, period. Puc IP: Logged |
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juiced Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted July 11, 2000 04:14 PM
Jumping the rope kick ass. So does boxing,but I don't know of any where around here that I could go and learn. IP: Logged |
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dboxer911 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52) |
posted July 12, 2000 01:48 PM
yeah boxing is a great sport..ive been boxing for a couple of years and im in better shape now than when i wrestled in highschool..only thing bad about competitive boxing is you have to maintain a very low weight which usually means not much food..im taking the summer off to gain a little weight with the help of some sus..anyone interested in joing a club i have 2 great web sites that list most of the boxing clubs in the us.. www.boxinghelp.com/gyms.html www.boxingpress.com/gyms.html IP: Logged |
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guitarzan Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted July 12, 2000 04:32 PM
I boxed for years and it is true that you MUST keep your weight down or you will be fighting guys 6 inches taller than you with the corresponding reach and most important, speed. If you thought that strength will make up for that, you would have thought wrong. The exception seems to be when you get into the amatuer heavyweight division. Amatuer heavyweight is 178 to 201 and you will find alot of fireplug guys. Guys that are fairly short and chubby. Superheavyweight is anything over 201 to the stratosphere. You get some big guys up there. In relation Tyson was an amatuer at heavyweight (201) Holyfeild light at 178. Those guys can and did (IMO) take steroids to bridge the gap and become true Pro heavyweights and make all the dough. Pro heavyweight is anything over 195 and that's where the dough is. In my opinion steroids won't do a lot for you in boxing unless you're just fucking around with a buddy to get out that Superman feeling you get on juice. There is no reason to do this for any length of time because if you don't learn how to take a punch (head movement, placement, catching punches, parrying, footwork, etc..) You will start forgetting shit, like where you are at any given time. You need to be super loose. Power comes from speed and the snap of your punches ala Roy Jones, not from strength. Strength is almost irrelevant, believe me, I know. Now weight on the other hand can be a factor. A lot of people look at Butterbean and laugh, but if you got tagged by that guy, no matter what cycle your on, your gonna miss a couple days. IP: Logged |
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Unity66 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 99) |
posted July 12, 2000 05:24 PM
Welcome guitarzan...informative first post. Your absolutely correct-the correlation between strength and power is minimal in boxing. I was able to make better use of my strength due to my being short and making use of a low center of gravity. I've seen guys whom are tiny, never train with weights...yet are able to "snap" quite a strong punch. It really comes down to your conditioning and training. My coach and I worked with the mits and double-end bag quite a bit, and this made all the difference in the world. A heavy bag will enable you to work on power and specific punches, yet it is the timing and placement of your shots which ultimately count. Many people fail to realize that the power behind a punch comes primarily from utilizing your legs and torso...not your chest and tris. Nice to see a fellow bro on the board who has experience in the ring. You have to admit though, using androgenic steroids are often needed when making weight in order to avoid a drastic loss in muscle...with the added benifit of increased recovery time/avoiding overtraining. Unity66 IP: Logged |
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Thick dog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 873) |
posted July 12, 2000 05:27 PM
Hitting a speed bag for 2-3 minutes straight is the most incredible shoulder workout you can get. You'll have lactic acid coming out of your nose. We used to do this in spring football practice a couple of times per week to increase hand speed and coordination. Grueling. IP: Logged |
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Galen Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted July 12, 2000 07:17 PM
Check out Tkotracy on the womens board. She is a professional boxer with a combined (am and pro) record of 8-2. I think she has used Winnie but hasn't formally said so. Out ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Big Buck Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 183) |
posted July 12, 2000 07:50 PM
I love boxing. Do it almost everyday at lunch when I work my abs. I used to amateur kickbox. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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guitarzan Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted July 12, 2000 08:40 PM
Believe me, I am about 5'10 1/2 and my fighting weight, where I felt best, was about 193-196. I'm 220 now, no juice, just lifting mega diet, creatine. Anyway, I would fight a guy 6'4, 6'5, 230 to 260 any day before fighting a guy 5'8 to 5'9" and under, 155 to 160 and under. The small guys beat the living shit out of me everytime the gym. After about 165 they start getting a little slower and since I was considered kinda fast for a heavy, I could start catching em. Of course, I'm talking about experienced boxers not just a street fight. I even went up to Super Heavyweight for the USA Boxing State Finals. I had to weigh in with my suede jacket, keys in the pocket along with a cell phone, change and anything I could find because I was 196 and the guy I was fighting was 40 pounds heavier and they wouldn't sanction the fight at that much of a gap in weight. This guy also was 6'5", no fat, and ranked like #8 in the US. I lost. It went the distance and I almost knocked him out three times. I could see his eyes roll back in his head, the sure sign that you hurt someone, but I couldn't finish him. He was smart and and excellent boxer, plus the pad in the ring was like 3" thick, ensuring that I couldn't get in and get out, (See boxing at the beach) and magnifying his power AND the ring was the size of small prison cell. Soon as I got in the ring before they announced us, I knew I was fucked. Anyway, I think my original point was, stay away from small, skinny, quiet, boxer, guys or you will get severely hurt. IP: Logged |
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screamin Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted July 12, 2000 10:10 PM
I got to agree with pretty boy. The guys in MMA are way better conditioned and have alot more "reality fighting" skills. Your 100% right pretty boy!! IP: Logged |
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dale25 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32) |
posted July 12, 2000 10:39 PM
yes i agree 100%160& under is an good weight IP: Logged |
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Kwai-Chang Caine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 9) |
posted July 12, 2000 10:47 PM
I'm a shootfighter and half of our training is Muay Thai Kickboxing. You think boxing is hard? HA!!!! Take everything that boxers do and add kicks, knees, and elbows. Then tell me what's harder. IP: Logged |
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guitarzan Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted July 12, 2000 11:02 PM
Anyone see the kickboxer, Maurice Smith, beat Mark, something, I forget his name in the UFC. Being big is not being conditioned, being strong is not being conditioned. To understand conditioning you must take the word at it's face value. Conditioning is being conditioned to perform a certain task. I know fat guys who can box 20 rounds. I know guys with awesome bodies who can run 10 miles a day and can't last one minute in a ring. (pro football players are notorious for getting in the ring and doing this.) The only way to "condition" yourself for any type of fighting is to assimilate the conditions of the fight, over and over and over and over and over again. That is the only way that you can learn to RELAX in a specific terrifying situation. And make no mistake RELAXATION is the key to conditioning. Your completely uncontrollable instinct is to flee in a fighting situation and if you can't, because of pride or you just can't get away, panic sets in, when panic sets in you can't breathe, when you can't breathe, you really panic. It doesn't matter if you run marathons for a living. Also how good you are usually relates to how many times you've had your ass kicked. When a guy says he never loses, he's either lying or he's not fighting anyone. IP: Logged |
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guitarzan Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted July 12, 2000 11:04 PM
I actually started with Muy Thai. Boxing is way more intense. Try it. IP: Logged |
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Unity66 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 99) |
posted July 12, 2000 11:16 PM
You've got balls guitarzan...40lbs is alot of weight to give-up. I agree with you totally though, I had my toughest fights with guys built like me. At 5'6-170-175lbs...I was in the best fighting shape of my life. The most I ever gave up was 9lbs. I weighed in at 174 and didnt think I would even fight because there was no one in the standard 7lbs +/- at the casino. Just so happened that my coach looked at this kids fight card and they sanctioned the bout with me having to give-up 9lbs. This guy was 6'2 and a solid 183lbs. Tall guys cant do anything to a short stocky fella if he cant make use of his reach. For every step he took back...I took two steps forward, circling to my right. In the second round he caught me coming in with a left hook and down I went, got back up with a standing 8-count and sent him down in round three with a shot to the kidneys. I lost the decision unanimously...he had excellent skills and deserved the win, I was simply out classed. My coach always told me "your gonna fight guys alot taller than you so your gonna train with guys taller than you. Like you though, I'd rather fight a tall, lean boxer than someone of a short/stout stature. He fellas...Kickboxing is hard work-save the smart-ass comments though. This threads topic is... Unity66 IP: Logged |
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guitarzan Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted July 12, 2000 11:31 PM
If you get a chance watch the Joe Frazier vs Muhammed Ali fight in Manila. It was their third. It was on ESPN Classic last night. Frazier's corner stopped it after the 14th round, but I have never seen a beating administered as cruelly and effectively as the one administered by Joe Frazier to Muhammed Ali's body and head. It was almost sick, the sound of Joe's left hooks to Ali's body. I just don't understand how Ali stood up it was amazing. And compared to Joe Frazier, Ali looks absolutely HUGE. It looks like Frazier was giving up tons of size and weight. I still can't believe that Ali won that fight after the beating that he took. I'm still in shock having never really watched it close before. IP: Logged |
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