posted July 09, 2000 07:04 PM            

Q: Brian, I have a real dilemma that urgently needs solving. Following your suggestions in your articles on cycle construction, I set about trying to find a source for Omnadren. However, I'm now confused over the differences, if any, between Omnadren and Sustanon. The World Anabolic Review claims that the comparison between Omnadren and Sustanon is a poor one, as the Testosterone isocaproate in Sustanon is replaced by Testosterone isohexanoate in Omnadren and the Testosterone decanoate is replaced by Testosterone hexanoate. You, on the other hand, claim that there's only one Testosterone different between the two products.

Recently, Brock Strasser wrote that the two products were one and the same, claiming that this could be verified by checking out the Jelfa website. When I checked the site, there it was in black and white, Omnadren contains exactly the same Testosterones found in Sustanon, including the decanoate and isocaproate. I have access to both, but what the fuck do I do now? Are these two products exactly the same? I need to know who's right.

A: The bottom line is no. These two products are not the same. I have a few boxes from a current batch of Omnadren in front of me at the moment. On the box, it lists the following ingredients:

Testosterone phenylpropionate � 60 mg
Testosterone propionate � 30 mg
Testosterone isohexanoate � 60mg
Testosterone hexanoate � 100 mg

I checked out the Jelfa website and, as you say, they claim that Omnadren is now the same formula as Sustanon (i.e. the last two esters being replaced by isocaproate and decanoate). Therefore, anyone could be forgiven for believing that these two products are exactly the same. So what exactly is Jelfa claiming?

A: That the esters in the two products were always exactly the same, but just known by different names, or....

B: That there's now a new Omnadren that contains exactly the same esters as Sustanon.

I checked with a contact of mine at Organon (the manufacturers of Sustanon) in Holland and came up with the answers.

"B" is definitely right out. Jelfa has no connections with Organon and Poland (where Jelfa is based) is a European Union country. This means that violation of Organon's formulation patent would leave Jelfa in ruin.

"A" is also right out, basically for the reason that I identified as being the difference between the two products � Testosterone decanoate. Now I'll only go over this once, so pay attention, as it hurts my head.

Testosterone isohexanoate and Testosterone isocaproate are different names for the same material; caproic acid is the old obsolete name for hexanoic acid, the iso-prefix indicating that the carbon chain is branched. The actual chemical is an ester of this acid with Testosterone.

Testosterone hexanoate is not the same as Testosterone decanoate. Testosterone hexanoate involves a six carbon ester, whereas Testosterone decanoate has ten carbons. Therefore, as I stated earlier, the kinetics of the two products are different. Thank you. You may now kiss my ass.

So why is Jelfa making such bullshit claims on their site? Here are the answers:

1. The Sustanon market is massive, with black market sales being many times that of legitimate medical sales. Unethical marketing ploys allow Jelfa a slice of Organon's highly lucrative market.

2. This is highly representative of Eastern European illegal trade practices. Jelfa actively pursues Organon's customers. However, I've never been able to walk into an Organon building and leave with two suitcases full of ampoules. Also, you won't find Russian Mafia invoices in Organon's accounts department. You think I'm joking don't you?

3. They possibly feel justified in claiming that, to all intents and purposes, the two products are the same when it comes to their medical use.

I hope this has maintained your faith in me and laid your concerns to rest.

Editor's Note: It seems our two steroid gurus disagree on this subject. Brock contends that he's still correct in this matter citing that Jelfa uses the old method in naming esters and not the conventional IUPAC method. If you have any input on this subject, drop us a note and share your expertise. Otherwise, we'll just let Brian and Brock duke it out in the Testosterone Octagon of Death, a little space we keep in the basement where our writers settle their academic disputes.

posted July 09, 2000 07:24 PM            

BIZ!!

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GET BIG GUY'S!!!!!!!!!

posted July 09, 2000 07:25 PM            

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Ranger

posted July 09, 2000 08:13 PM            

I don't think Poland's membership status in the EU is relevant. I believe Poland does recognize international product patents. I'm not 100% sure if they recognize international process law, but I believe they do. I don't think the ratio of ester blends in Sustanon is proprietary, but the process by which it's put together probably is, just as Sustanon is a tradename belonging to Organon. So long as Jelfa uses a different manufacturing process (and name), they can make the same product.

posted July 10, 2000 03:45 AM            

Dexter

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Strength and Honor.

posted July 10, 2000 03:22 PM            

It's strange how people take the liberty to publicly speak bullshit.

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