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 Yet another first cycle question
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Golias Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted July 09, 2000 03:06 AM
  
This is my first post, but have been lurking for about a year--trying to learn, doing research. This is by far the best board on the net. Thinking about doing my first cycle in the fall, with the goal of putting on as much LBM as possible, but would prefer to avoid excessive water retention b/c I work in a professional office. Right now I'm 185 lbs., 6', 15% bodyfat, 30 years old, have been lifting two years. Hard gainer. Probably won't do another cycle (you'll just have to trust that I have the willpower), so I want my first to be a good one. Considering two options: Option One Option Two With either option, clomid 50mg eod, 100mg ed for two weeks after cycle, 50 mg ed two weeks after that. Opinions? IP: Logged |
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JuiceBoy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273) |
posted July 09, 2000 03:58 AM
option 1 looks perfect for what u're lookin for, good researchin and good luck bro IP: Logged |
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The_Blond_Myth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 420) |
posted July 09, 2000 11:22 AM
neither of those will do. you can't come off test onto nothing and expect to keep much of your gains, doesn't matter if you take clomid or not. U want to come off the test onto an anabolic, I like the primo overlap in the first cycle but its only for two weeks. U still got 2 more weeks of test in your system. I would take out the primo and just do deca/test or primo/test, and make sure u are on deca or primo for at least 4 weeks after your last shot of test. LP ------------------ [This message has been edited by The_Blond_Myth (edited July 09, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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TAPOUT Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38) |
posted July 09, 2000 02:25 PM
I would go with a test/deca or test/primo or even a test only cycle, forget the D-bal for now. I don't agree with the theory of losing most of your gains when you come off a test cycle. Test has equal or more anabolic properties then deca or primo. I feel this theory is based on the more significant weight loss after a test cycle do to water loss but tou also gain more while on test. I would bet if you took 2 people and put one on 500mg test and the other on 500mg deca for 8wks the permanent net gain in lean mass would be grater from the test only cycle. IP: Logged |
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ThePitbull Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 350) |
posted July 09, 2000 02:58 PM
Option 1 looks good. I wouldn't start the Primo. until week 6. (unless you can get more) That way it carries you into week 12. 4 weeks after your last shot of test. Pitbull IP: Logged |
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Ice Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 431) |
posted July 09, 2000 03:01 PM
I like option 1 better, and like another brother said run the Primo out a little longer. IP: Logged |
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Golias Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted July 09, 2000 03:36 PM
Thanks for the replies, bros. I really have learned more from this board than anywhere else. On the first option, I was putting the primo in fairly early to combat water retention and because I've read that it works better if taken for a longer time. On the second, I had put in some d-bol at the first to jump-start some strength and because the full effects of sus don't hit until week 3--but nobody seemed to like that idea. So, it sounds like most people like Option 1, but changed to: ---Deca----Sus----Primo OR, on Option 2, drop the d-bol, and just go ---Sus----Primo Two questions: (1) I'm now looking at 12-week cycles, while most of what are posted are 8-10 weeks. Is 12 weeks ok for a newbie cycle? (2) Should I start the heavy dose of clomid in week 11--two weeks after stopping the sus, or week 13--the week after stopping the primo? Thanks again for the help--you rock. IP: Logged |
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Golias Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted July 09, 2000 08:45 PM
Thanks for the help...BUMP for more replies. IP: Logged |
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aahthit Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 190) |
posted July 09, 2000 11:00 PM
Generally accepted practice is 2 weeks after your last shot of sust is when you should start your clomid. Are you prone to gyno or have it already? If so, I would eod the clomid during your cycle at 50 mg. Do you already have your nolvadex on hand? I would say that 12 weeks is okay, considering what you're you're taking. Primo is pretty easy on the body, all things considered. You're dosages aren't excessive and your cycle is well put together so now all that's left is to get down to business! [This message has been edited by aahthit (edited July 09, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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