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sandiegomike
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted July 06, 2000 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sandiegomike   Click Here to Email sandiegomike     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 70005435
Okay, I have had enough. They raid Mass Quantities to remove product which hasn't had its fair day in court yet?? They will now ban all andros?? What is left?? We are not allowed to do anything to improve ourselves, yet we can smoke ourselves to death, or drink and drive and be responsible for over 50% of all fatal traffic accidents. We can try to obtain steroids, but if caught be shacked up with crack dealers. This is not right and must be stopped. Unfortunately there is only one thing we can do (not guaranteeing results), fight it legally. This is unfortunate because it takes money, and lots of it. But again, how far can we let this go? Here is my thought, how many members are in here, 5,000? I really do not know, but sounds fair to me. What if we all put in $100 in a fund to fight a legal war. Now don't tell me there is someone in here that can't come up with $100, you could to buy gear! 5,000 times $100 is $500,000. That is a good start. Couldn't we come up with this every six months? Wouldn't this draw our cause some attention? I do believe so! Let Geore go out and find good council. Hell I will do it. I will post their name and address. They will send you a receipt for your money, so you know it's not a scam. We can report monthly progress on the website. Maybe some of the more "well off" guys in here could put in $150 every six months so that the lower incomes could put in $50 every six months and even things out? I promise you, this would get some attention. However, it won't work if we don't all make a stand. THIS MEANS YOU. Like a democracy, the word means nothing if you don not vote! Lets make it happen gentlemen!!! Now is the time. Help me help us. Thank you for your time. San Diego Mike.

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Jay Z
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posted July 07, 2000 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Z   Click Here to Email Jay Z     Edit/Delete Message
Problem is most people don't have the balls to stand up and speak. I would do it but who is going to do it besides me?

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Sign the petition now at LegalizeSteroids.com,DecriminalizeSteroids.com, or SignThePetition.com!

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Diver
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posted July 07, 2000 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diver   Click Here to Email Diver     Edit/Delete Message
I'll stand when Jesse Ventura gets voted into congress

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JohnnyO
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posted July 07, 2000 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnnyO   Click Here to Email JohnnyO     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 11976789
I'm used to fighting for various causes... this one is no different, and count me in.

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Flex
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posted July 07, 2000 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Flex   Click Here to Email Flex     Edit/Delete Message
I think there is ample oppertunity here to contribute and still remain anonymous....Im in!!

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YellowD98
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posted July 07, 2000 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowD98     Edit/Delete Message
Things like this are always spoken of, but are rarely followed through. Going up against the government you live under is very difficult, and often a losing battle. It would take a really strong court case, and probably something more compelling than use for cosmetic enhancement (for instance strong implications for use in medicine). Even then, I doubt it can be completely legalized, it would have to be administered by a doc. Still, if the gov. would tax steroids like they do smoking and drinking, they would make plenty of dough, and everyone would be happy. I'd pay 25 bucks for a shot of sus. if I didn't have to worry about cops busting through my door. But then think about this, every rich bastard from here to the west coast will be boasting a big chest and thin waste line, all they have to do is pay for their body (and a little work). I kind of like having this stuff undercover, its like an exclusive club. Anyways, count me in, I can front that if necessary.

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big_guy1
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posted July 07, 2000 03:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for big_guy1   Click Here to Email big_guy1     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 5126477
ok...a few thing to think about, one you are fighting the gov, so you would need some influental peopel to stand up with us, second before it worked, if it did, it would bring attension to it, and might cause more busts/seizures....third money alone doesn't do much...what is going to be done withthe money..who are you gonna get to front this assalt, we would need OJ's team of lawyers to pull this one off...not to be a downer, just some thought..I am all for theidea, just don't charge head first into a closed door....pushing for legal imports is an option too, like take roids off schedule...

and yellow, I don'ta gree with 25 per amp of sus, just to be risk free...competitive pricing is a must, or at least let us import overseas stuff too...

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sandiegomike
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posted July 07, 2000 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sandiegomike   Click Here to Email sandiegomike     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 70005435
We have to start somewhere. Again, there is never a guarantee of results, but as of today, the government stands unchallanged. They can walk around and do what they want without fear of backlash. Let us put a million dollars into legal council, and things will change. Not overnite, and we may never win, but I promise they will not go around raiding supplement stores anymore without just prudence.

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lexicon
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posted July 07, 2000 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lexicon   Click Here to Email lexicon     Edit/Delete Message
It doesn't matter if you get 5 Million dollars, AS will never be legalized. Don't waste your time being aggravated about something you have zero control over.

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steel3333
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posted July 07, 2000 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steel3333   Click Here to Email steel3333     Edit/Delete Message
ill donate to a just cause like that one
i gave my donation to e- mail Josh Hodnik <[email protected]>
u can get 238.00 from him ,sure he would be glad to donate him self, mabe even donate
some of his own blood !
STEEL

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JohnnyO
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posted July 07, 2000 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnnyO   Click Here to Email JohnnyO     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 11976789
You'll be surprized what campaign contributions can accomplish.. we do have some control over this. We just have to be organized in a united front, and represent a big block of voters.

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natedawg
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posted July 08, 2000 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for natedawg   Click Here to Email natedawg     Edit/Delete Message
Another problem, as I see it, is that for every dollar we put in, there will be two dollars put in by "soccer moms" - bitches like Rosie O'Donnel.

I think the best way to change things is to educate the general public and crush the myths surrounding steroid use. And things are changing, but very slowly. Andropause and testosterone replacement is becoming more recognized by doctors. But that doesn't do much for us.

Steroids could become non-scheduled, but it will take a lot more positive media coverage to do it. The public will have to realize that these drugs can have health benefits. And the masses will have to start demanding that their doctors give them a prescription to improve their quality of life. More men, young and old, will get testosterone even if it means breaking the law. Some will get arrested. Then the court cases will begin. If there were enough men with enough money to fight for easier access to steroids, then the laws might change.

This post kind of turned into my prediction- my vision of the future.

I just think that changing the laws will be a lot harder than some think. It will require much more people than the small population of steroid users.


The following is from Rick Collins. This is some of the stuff the public needs to open it's eyes to.

Does the criminal prosecution approach to the anabolic steroid problem work?

It depends whom one asks. Law enforcement authorities and proponents of criminalization contend that stiff penalties help deter trafficking, and that the strict controls associated with controlled substance status prevent pharmaceutical companies from manufacturing more product than could be legitimately used for FDA approved purposes. The Control Act addresses the diversion problem by the triplicate "paper trail" that is associated with controlled substances. But while the paper trail requirements have reduced the amount of legitimate steroids diverted to athletes, they have helped foster a booming counterfeit trade where underground labs make and label steroid products to mimic legitimate pharmaceuticals. These products completely bypass the Control Act�s paper trail. In a 1990 statement to Congress, Department of Justice officials estimated the black market to be a 300 million-dollar per year industry. Today the black market is estimated to be bigger than ever, at more than 400 million dollars in annual retail sales. So much for deterring steroid trafficking.

Protecting young people from danger is a worthy goal of any legislation. But if the true "steroid problem" is adverse health effects, mainly upon young people, the Control Act has been especially dangerous. A primary effect of the Control Act�s restrictions upon legitimate product has been the increased manufacture and distribution of black market counterfeit products and substandardly made veterinary steroids never intended for human consumption. Many of these black market products are tainted with impurities. It has been estimated that up to 90% of black market anabolic steroids are contaminated or contain other foreign substances. It is therefore evident that enforcement of the Control Act has greatly exacerbated the health risks associated with steroid use.

Another dangerous effect of the criminalization approach has been to discourage athletes, especially teens, from admitting their steroid usage to physicians. Since the greatest dangers inherent in self-administered steroid use involve the failure to be monitored by a doctor (see the Health Risk section of my web site), the Control Act has succeeded in greatly escalating this danger and has created an even wider gap between the athletes and the medical community. Because the self-administration of anabolics is a federal crime, few users are willing to confess their steroid use to physicians. And because federal enforcement efforts have targeted physicians, few doctors want anything to do with athletes taking steroids. Doctors caught distributing steroids to athletes have been criminally prosecuted. The end result is that the athletes using steroids rarely get regular blood pressure checks, cholesterol readings, prostate exams and liver enzyme tests, making steroid use far more hazardous than it would otherwise be.

Issues of cheating, "hollow victories," "winning at any cost," etc., are another ideological foundation for the Control Act. Allowing those with an unfair advantage to compete can pressure drug-free athletes to use anabolic steroids to remain competitive. But the Control Act has been of extremely limited value in addressing this "cheating" problem. Elite athletes are almost never prosecuted under the Control Act, obtaining their steroid supplies through sophisticated channels that avoid detection by law enforcement. The extremely remote possibility of criminal prosecution deters few if any Olympic and professional level athletes. The most effective way to eradicate anabolic steroids from competitive sports is through systematic drug testing. Athletes who fail the steroid test are prohibited from competing. While testing for anabolic steroids is not perfect, it does remove identified steroid-users from the sport and also serves as the most effective deterrent today. Serious athletes devote huge amounts of time, energy and resources into training for an event. The effect of drug testing � preventing steroid-using athletes from competing � is both a more effective and more appropriate deterrent than the Control Act�s threat of making overly ambitious athletes into convicted felons.

Another problem with the Control Act is the effect of criminalizing our young people. The student caught with steroids will be forever a felon. While anti-steroid experts try to minimize the real life effects of criminalization upon our young adults, we lawyers see it firsthand. For those unfortunate enough to be caught, the effects of prosecution can be devastating. This is especially true since most adult steroid users lead otherwise responsible, law-abiding lives. To offer a personal example, I am currently representing a man who was "set up" by his former training partner to sell to him a bottle of testosterone. The transaction was orchestrated by the narcotics bureau of the county police department at the taxpayers� expense. The deal was arranged to take place in a parking lot, and immediately after the transfer, a squad of law enforcement agents surrounded my client with guns drawn and handcuffed him. As my client, a gainfully employed and respectful young man, now faces a felony conviction and jail time, the question is raised whether such police operations really reflect a sensible approach to the problem and further whether they are a prudent or appropriate use of our government�s resources. The irreparable harms caused by the Control Act and similar laws may well outweigh the health risks associated with steroid use by most young adults.

Finally, commentators from both the legal and medical communities have noted an interesting cultural irony in the comparison of anabolic steroid administration to cosmetic surgery procedures. In a society preoccupied with physical appearance, confidence and self-image are often intertwined with body shape and condition. Under the current views and laws of our society, it is criminal for a physician to administer anabolic steroids to a healthy adult for purposes of cosmetic physical enhancement. However, it is perfectly acceptable (and quite lucrative) to perform the much more radical and dangerous procedure of surgically implanting foreign prosthetics into virtually all parts of the human anatomy for the same purpose, subjecting patients to the potentially fatal risks associated with general anesthesia and post-surgical infection. Many more people have died or been permanently injured from botched liposuctions and other cosmetic surgery procedures in the past few years than in over forty years of anabolic steroid use by athletes. If one of these alternatives must be illegal, it would seem that the current state of legality regarding these procedures might best be reversed.

For a deeper analysis and evaluation of the Control Act, its problems, and some possible solutions, refer to www.steroidlaw.com. Those with responsible and informed commentary on the content of this article should feel free to contact me by e-mail.

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Curious
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posted July 09, 2000 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Curious     Edit/Delete Message
Don't be so tight-lipped natedawg...let it all out. he he

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chestyII
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posted July 09, 2000 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chestyII   Click Here to Email chestyII     Edit/Delete Message
I am for it. But be ready for a fight. You can take away a lot of freedoms until it infringes upon the congress.

Remember, we are the gov't and as one of the Founding Fathers stated: It is the right of the people to have a revolution." I believe John Adams said that. Remember, we are the true power in this country.

Just think about this, what if we decided not to pay our taxes. The government has no way to go to the homes of 300 million Americans and get "their" money. We would shut the "gov't" down and have them at our mercy.

So, let us fight for what we believe is right and righteous.

Chesty

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Jeff_rys
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posted July 09, 2000 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff_rys   Click Here to Email Jeff_rys     Edit/Delete Message
You have lost your fight before you began.
And when the money is up, everyone has to donate again, and again, and again. And finally, right...., everything stays the same.
Everyone can drink and drive, but it's illegal. Everyone can take roids, which is also illegal. So I must be missing something .

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Jeff

Don't look back, life is too short

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