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PT101
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted July 06, 2000 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PT101   Click Here to Email PT101     Edit/Delete Message
Please excuse the possible ignorance of this post..BUT....
I was reading on a site yesterday (and it wasn't and anti-steroid one) that ALL gains from steroid use are eventually lost. This loss does not happen immediately, more like over a few years, however eventually it is all lost.
So here are the questions/comments
First, is this true?
Second, if true, does it make sense to say that the reason for using, is to make gains quickly for personal gratification and then once you have the gains from the cycle you can lift more and as a result the "natural" gains that you make after would be greater than those made if you had not cycled.
For example, say if you do a cycle and gain 20lbs, and all your lifts increase by 25%. After your cycle you can now increase you workout intensity and gain an additional 10lbs over a year naturally, and if you hadn't done the cycle you could have only gained 5lbs. Net is that if, over a few years you do loose the 20lbs from the cycle, you have still made a net gain of 5lbs.
If you haven't guessed, I am debating doing my first and am wrestling with the logistics of it all.

PT

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Terminator
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 23)
posted July 06, 2000 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Terminator   Click Here to Email Terminator     Edit/Delete Message
Good question bro', but I don't know. Natural gains will fade away as you quit from bb, too, but maybe not as fast, as from juice.
Let's see my example: last year I had to make a 2 months break, I couldn't get into the gym at all. I lost 6 pounds, and I needed to get it back in 1,5 month, naturally. So it's not an exact answer to your question, but I felt I tell this to you.
Other people probably will respond other way, than me...

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Learn bullock and you'll become an ox! (Hungarian phrase)
Keep yourself educated, don't want to get fuckin' big so fast... and you won't do any mistake!

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PT101
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted July 06, 2000 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PT101   Click Here to Email PT101     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks T, but I am working on the assumption that you don't quit BB, just juice.

PT

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Terminator
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted July 06, 2000 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Terminator   Click Here to Email Terminator     Edit/Delete Message
I found somethin' on the previous Absolute True Hardcore BB site, it's a pharmaceutical ranking system by the author, and it gives tge author's opinion 'bout the ability of the drugs keeping gains..
These are the most keepable...
Use at your own risk

Androil 8/10
Deca Durabolin 8/10
Durabolon 9/10
Equipose 6/10
Growth hormone 8/10
Insulin 7/10
Laurabolin 9/10
Masteron 8/10
Norandren 50 8/10
Primobolan Depot 10/10
Winstrol/Depot 9/9/10

Usually these drugs don't offer such a big advance in strength and mass as A-50 or D-bol, but in comparison with them the side effects are lesser than those.

So,,maybe these numbers help you to decide, which is better than the other...
If you have any question, feel free to contact me

[email protected]

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Learn bullock and you'll become an ox! (Hungarian phrase)
Keep yourself educated, don't want to get fuckin' big so fast... and you won't do any mistake!

I'll be back!


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PT101
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted July 06, 2000 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PT101   Click Here to Email PT101     Edit/Delete Message
I believe those stats are from when you first come off. I was looking more long term.

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