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AllPLAYA
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted June 29, 2000 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AllPLAYA   Click Here to Email AllPLAYA     Edit/Delete Message
I got a question for those of you that have done orals. What exactly does "hard on your liver" mean. I know alcohol is bad for your liver if you are an alcoholic for decades. It will result in permenant damage. If I binge drink one night my liver is never sore. I don't belive any permenant damage is done. I used to drink like a fish and it seemed like my liver could process that alcohol better the more I drank. Now I don't drink that much at all and I want to throw three weeks of Winny 50mg EOD into the end of my Primo cycle to get really cut up. Will this do permenant damage to my liver? How does it compare damage wise to a night of hevay drinking? Have any of you gotten sick (liver wise?) from winny. I of course won't be drinking alcohol during this time and will consume milk thistle as well. Any comments are appreciated.

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Jeff_rys
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posted June 29, 2000 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff_rys   Click Here to Email Jeff_rys     Edit/Delete Message
Don't even think of drinking alcohol while on Winny.
I have done that, and after a few weeks you start looking bad in your face. As if you are very, very tired. And I took my EOD shot at 7 in the morning because I was drinking wine at dinner, at 7 in the evening. Once stopped with winny, everything was getting normal after a week or so. (My cycle was between 7 and 8 weeks of only Winny).
I don't say you cannot drink occasionaly, but definitly not every day.
Hard on the liver means, too much stress, overload, the liver has to do overtime, so in time you could damage your liver.

Jeff

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aahepp
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posted June 29, 2000 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aahepp   Click Here to Email aahepp     Edit/Delete Message
Well put it this way. When you start looking a little yellow, you know your liver is at its limits with you. Also there is ways to get your liver tested. Blood level toxins (enzymes) can be checked. Ask your doctor. If he does have a clue...get a new doctor.

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Bossman
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posted June 29, 2000 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bossman   Click Here to Email Bossman     Edit/Delete Message
Kinda self expanatory. Less than kills it, more than good for it. So don't do anything to stress it out more.
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matty
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posted June 29, 2000 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 74082278
3wks of winny isent gonna do shit! youll just start to see results in wk3, go at least 6...

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MS
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posted June 29, 2000 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
Hard on the liver doesn't necessarily mean you will feel bad, even with heavy drinking on winny. It mostly means you're stressing your liver in a way which may MANY YEARS DOWN THE TRACK may lead to cirrhosis or cancer. Same as for alcoholics. Yeah, they look and feel fine for years or decades, but eventually.......

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1 Mistake
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posted June 29, 2000 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1 Mistake     Edit/Delete Message
My first cycle I went up to 600mg.of cyp with 2 American anadrols.What a shitty feeling-and I don't even drink.EVERYTHING turned yellow! Fingertips,eyes and cheeks. Gained 26 lbs.- lost 24 after I came off.TOTALLY not worth it.Really felt pains in my liver and kidneys.Be careful

J

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bgriff
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posted June 29, 2000 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bgriff   Click Here to Email bgriff     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 58153208
don't mess around bro!!! Your liver and kidney can be fed up real easy if you arent careful!!

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Fukkenshredded
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posted June 30, 2000 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fukkenshredded   Click Here to Email Fukkenshredded     Edit/Delete Message
Be careful with winstrol, whether oral or injectable. BOTH are liver toxic. It's my favorite steroid, since I like that lean, grainy look. Last year I shot through sixty vials of zambon, one a day, every day, for two months. No problems. Ate clean, didn't drink, didn't roll. Got ripped. RIPPED. Five months ago I shot through a couple of bottles of Stanozol (australian). Rolled on the weekends a couple of times. Woke up yellow thirty one shots into it. Got real sick. The catch was...I felt fine right up to the day I got yellow. That day I couldn't even get out of bed. Temp shot right to 105. Stayed there for way too long. Also got a blocked bowel. It took me a couple of months to return to normal function. I was lucky to return to baseline at all. Shoot winstrol with caution and respect, and get your blood tested regularly. Best of luck with your goals!

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riskybiz007
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posted June 30, 2000 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for riskybiz007   Click Here to Email riskybiz007     Edit/Delete Message
hey bros was wondering if D-bol is as liver toxic as Winny? I know D-bol is harsh on liver as well as winny... which is worse?

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