posted June 29, 2000 01:31 PM            

The reason why your little fella is awake in the morning when you get up has nothin' to do with test levels. While your are sleeping your muscles are very relaxed, which means the blood flow into your muscles is pretty low. Some of that blood is ending up in your little fella, who by any means is not a muscle. Ever wonder why your little friend is alert when you wake up in the middle of the night to peepee?

posted June 29, 2000 03:32 PM            

chris

posted June 29, 2000 03:39 PM            

Jeff

posted June 29, 2000 11:45 PM            

LP

posted June 30, 2000 02:58 AM            

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THINK YOU HOLDING WEIGHT?THEN YOU HAVENT MET THE APES!

One more road to cross
One more risk to take
Gotta live my life
like there's one more move to make.

The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad.

BLOOD LIKE VENOM,
FLESH LIKE STEEL.

posted June 30, 2000 03:06 AM            

[This message has been edited by JuiceBoy (edited June 30, 2000).]

posted June 30, 2000 10:01 AM         

J
ps-I know for a fact that Big A smoked weed like a chimney

posted June 30, 2000 04:58 PM            

The one question that I get most often is, "What's the biggest dosage you've ever heard of anyone taking?" The answer is, "A lot." However, most of the reports on this topic are grossly exaggerated, with the Andreas Muntzer case being typical. Poor Andreas will go down in the medical journals for his unprecedented levels of abuse simply because of a cycle found written on a piece of paper in his possession. However, those that knew him know that this was only a commonly utilized ploy to partially protect someone from prosecution if they were caught in possession of quantities indicative of dealing.

Another fallacy is that today's pros have laid down a blueprint for death by virtue of their mega dose-induced mass. The trail of thought here is that today's pros are only big because they take far more drugs than the pros of yesteryear. The competitive bodybuilder of the '90s is assumed to be an all-knowing alchemist with far more pills and potions available to him than his predecessors. Even those who don't have "the knowledge" have their own secret guru, available for a modest fee, who holds the keys to eternal mass.

The fact that football players, basketball players, boxers, track and field athletes, and Joe Public are bigger and leaner than his or her counterparts from the '70s and '80s seems to be irrelevant. And the fact that there's far more technology available regarding nutrition, quality coaching, training facilities, and self-education media doesn't seem to count for much, either. If you consider that there are simply more people on the planet than ever before, and that a higher percentage of these people now go to the gym, it seems not only possible, but likely, that some genetic freaks are going to surface.

So who perpetuates these myths? Usually bitter ex-pros from the bygone age�so-called gurus that nobody actually seems to acknowledge, let alone confide in with their most intimate secrets. Or sad, twisted individuals who blame everything�from Elvis' constipation to Arnold's acting�on anabolics, yet whose own potential for cell growth shadows that of an amoeba.

In truth, some of the most extreme examples of abuse that I am aware of took place in the late '70s and early '80s. I personally know two powerlifters and five top-level bodybuilders (two Olympia competitors) who have admitted to taking between 50 and 100 dianabol a day during the '70s. They also claim that they knew many other top-level athletes who have done the same, along with taking various injectables, also in huge dosages. Some of them knew athletes that became very ill from their practice without realizing the cause. The funny thing is that, in many instances, the doctors did not recognize the cause, either�typically cross-questioning the patient about alcoholism even after hearing what they had been taking. This demonstrates how easy it is for the facts to become buried.

I also know one top strength athlete who admitted to regularly taking 100 dianabol a day and two 5,000-mg doses of testosterone per week during the weeks prior to a competition. He would also train on amphetamine and use sleeping pills to allow him to sleep twice a day, all during the innocent '70s and early '80s. By this man's own admission, if he had not injured himself seriously in preparation for the world championships, he probably would have died.

One world powerlifting champion told me that, in the early '80s, he would usually inject 10 ml of stanazolol (yes, that's 500 mg) a day for the last month before a contest. Another told me of his friend who took eight Anadrol a day until he was hospitalized.

The most extreme example that I've ever heard was confessed to me by a former British Olympia competitor. During the preparation for his last show, in the '80s, he took two Anadrol, ten dianabol, six Halotestin, and 100 Anavar a day. On top of this, he also injected 4,000 mg of Deca, 2,000 mg of testosterone cypionate, 400 mg of Winstrol, and 400 mg of Primobolan per week. Add to this Thiomucase injections, thyroxine, Nolvadex, and Esiclene, but make sure that you don't cremate this SOB when he goes because he'll probably burn for a week! These are just a few examples, but I have heard of many such claims throughout the years.

The argument that there are more advanced drugs and variety available to today's competitor is flawed. I accept that there's more knowledge of drug use today and that growth hormone is probably the single-greatest advancement in the ergogen profile, but GH was also available to those who endured the '80s. Besides, the lack of knowledge often led to more abuse, not less.

However, athletes today will never know the benefits of some of the now discontinued drugs used by "those who point the finger." Just ask Dan Duchaine or Jeff Feliciano about the effectiveness of drugs like Roxilon, bolasterone, Anatrofin, thiomesterone, Finaject...I'm sorry, I can't go on without getting emotional. God, I miss them!

Sure, there's still plenty of abuse today. I know several Olympia competitors that are taking 30-40 dianabol a day and around 2,000 mg of both Deca and cypionate per week during the off-season. Some national competitors are taking much more.

Typically, today's pro will use a minimum of six products in his build-up for a show, but that doesn't include thyroid, clenbuterol, Cytadren, Nolvadex, insulin, insulin agonists, and diuretics. Some use more exotic specials like IGF, prostaglandins, EPO, Synthol, heparin, glucagon, osmotic diuretics, topical fat-burning products, and opiate-based anti-catabolics, like Nubain and Buprenex. GH use is obviously quite common, too, and the standard dosage is usually around 8-20 IU a day.

For obvious reasons, I cannot go into the personal dosages of any of the athletes that I advise. But I hope that this will help you, perhaps, see things in a different light the next time you hear weary dribblings of the "out of touch" antagonists and the "wannabe" experts.

Q: In last week's posting, Paul Borresen claimed that the pros were taking unbelievable dosages of anabolics and that this is what it takes to succeed. He also claimed that he works out the cycles for them, including Dorian Yates. What's your view on his comments?

A: Here we go again! I believe that my opening statement covers the pro situation. But personally, I do not know any pro that takes the dosages that he implies. I sincerely hope that none of you try the "30 IU of insulin with each meal" thing. As for the comments about Dorian Yates, I can only say that if you really dealt with any of the pros, would you honestly drop their name in a drug-related article? As someone who's in that exact situation, I know that client confidentiality is of the utmost importance, especially when you consider the legal implications.

In the past, when linked with Olympic athletes, I have been offered huge sums by the media to drop some athlete's name, but it would never cross my mind. This should give you some indication of the validity of Paul Borresen's credentials, as I know that he has a personal reason behind his claims.

On his website, he also states that he has coached up-and-coming pro Dennis James. Yet Dennis told me that not only has he never met Paul Borresen, but he's only had a brief phone discussion with him in which Borresen tried a sales pitch. I know for a fact, too, that Borresen's never had anything to do with Dorian's preparation for anything in any shape or form, and that Dorian never even speaks with the man, let alone phones him regularly. This should help you assess the value of any other pearls of wisdom that he may have imparted.

Dorian recently told me that he has instructed his solicitors to deal with this matter, and for that reason he is unable to make any comment. Other spurious comments about him in Borresen's newsletter are also being reviewed. Dorian also stated that, although Borresen's statements are intended to get back at Dorian's business partner, Kerry Kayes, he must realize the consequences of such slander. Dorian personally feels that, by making an official statement, he runs the risk of elevating Borresen to a pedestal on which he doesn't belong by virtue of mentioning him in the same sentence as himself.

It seems as if you thought that you had found yourselves another Monica Lewinsky here. But in the end, the only horn being blown was Paul's�and he was doing it himself!
http://www.testosterone.net/html/52bb.html

This is the site where you can read more.

In my opinion the only "smart BB" was Frank Zane, sure he took, but just ENOUGH and he did win the Olympia more than once.

Jeff

posted June 30, 2000 05:45 PM            

Jeff

posted July 01, 2000 05:57 AM            

Jeff

posted July 01, 2000 07:12 PM            

Back then, what would you do?

That clean natural look was from GH without insulin. Todays pros use GH and insulin that's the reason for bloated.

I like Arnold but common, the guy was out of proportion. Awesome chest and bis, ok back and tiny legs. With his legs, he wouldn't win todays amateur contest.

[This message has been edited by Lqdmscle (edited July 01, 2000).]

posted July 01, 2000 11:38 PM            

LP

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"This is George the owner, and Tony the Guru... Tony knows everything." -Lee Priest

posted July 02, 2000 04:07 AM            

Jeff

posted July 02, 2000 03:03 PM            

LP

posted July 02, 2000 05:56 PM            

Arnold is a seven time Mr. Olympia!
Don't belittle this fella and tell everybody he only won 6!!!

One thing is for sure: Nobody gets that kind of bod just from taking 4 Dbol a day. Ha!

posted July 02, 2000 06:39 PM            

LP

posted July 03, 2000 08:37 AM            

Jeff