posted June 29, 2000 08:03 AM            

But if you are on the best discussion board (yes, l mean here),
and you click search, type PGF2 (forget the a, you get more results) and you will get a load of information.

Jeff

posted June 29, 2000 02:35 PM            

post it again, please

Jeff

posted June 29, 2000 03:42 PM            

Jeff

posted June 29, 2000 03:44 PM            

Author Topic: PGF2A... How do you REALLY take it?????? Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 23, 2000 07:36 PM

I have been emailing a few guys for their input on pgf2a (lutalyse) info. And I really appreciate the help. I've gotten some conflicting suggestions, so I figure I'd post and ask. I've heard you can't take more than 2 cc's a day... and then I hear that 4 cc's is just fine, as long as you build up to it. So that's fine, I'll start low, and build up... no biggie. My question lies mainly with the injection procedure itself. If I was to take 10 mgs a day... would I take 2 mgs per shot into 1 muscle? ie: 2 mgs into right bicep... 3 hours later 2 mgs into left bicep.... 3 hours later 2 mgs into right tricep.... and then the left, and so on? So that each muscle only receives 1 shot per day? OR would I divide it up into more shots? ie: Shot #1: 20 iu in each of the right and left biceps and triceps, and follow the same procedure for shots #2 - 5 that day? So each muscle receives 5 shots a day? Thank you all who have helped me on this subject... I start in a week.. and then you can stop hearing me bitch about it.

IP: Logged BigCatratcho Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 424) posted June 23, 2000 08:08 PM

JUST WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD

1ml = 50iu

inject 50iu into a muscle and 50iu into its twin 3 to 4 times a day. 100iu = too much cramping

use an insulin dart

(edited from Talon)

I am aboput to start a cycle myself

good luck

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IP: Logged Parabellum Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 208) posted June 23, 2000 08:23 PM

Isn't an insulin dart too short to get into the muscle? Do you inject into the muscle or into the skin/fat?

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IP: Logged BigCatratcho Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 424) posted June 23, 2000 10:18 PM

the biceps, pectorals, and deltoids can be easily reached with a 1" needle, as they tend to carry less fat.

HEY, what the hell am i doing on a computer at 9pm on a FRIDAY night?

later folks

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"tank tops are for medium sized guys..."

IP: Logged 2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3001) posted June 23, 2000 11:16 PM

Well the most popular one (from UpJohn) is 5mg per 1mL. The recommended dosage is starting with .5cc (or 2.5mg)per bodypart per day and slowly building up the dosage.

Start slow and move up.

My buddy is going to try it out and tell me how it goes. If it is fine then I will use mine.

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IP: Logged Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 23, 2000 11:45 PM

Alright... so... would you suggest taking the 2.5 mgs in an individual muscle all at once? Or would you build up to the 2.5 mgs throughout the day?

IP: Logged conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1064) posted June 23, 2000 11:46 PM

start slow .5 cc in each muscle pair 2 shots within 5 minutes (cause after that sides kickin) take that 3 times a day that is a beginner start work up, side effects will tell you how much to take and yes use an insulin needle pgf works best in small muscles bi tri calf delts

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IP: Logged 300 kleen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2113) posted June 23, 2000 11:54 PM

That's right 2Thick, that's how I used it.

Yes Val, all 2.5 at the same time. It's only half a cc.

------------------ 300 kleen

IP: Logged Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 23, 2000 11:58 PM

Fantastic. As you can see I'm a real pain in the ass. I guess the only thing left is.. if I'm taking .5 cc in each muscle pair.. do I only shoot it into 1 muscle group a day? Or... would I take .5 in bi's and .5 in tri's 3 times a day? That'd take me up to 6 cc's in a day. Or would it be better to take it down from .5 to maybe .25 if I was going to shoot into bi's and tri's 3 times a day, 3-4 times a week? That way, I wouldn't be taking as much in one day, but I'd be able to hit bi's and tri's more often. My focus is my arms. And I understand the cycle theory of shooting 2 days after you train a muscle, and 24 hours before you train it again. Thanks for all your information and patience. I wanna get the most out of this.

IP: Logged WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1140) posted June 24, 2000 01:10 AM

Val,

I got some great news for you bro...with tons of info..yep..what your wanting..

Email me and Ill send it your way..

later, WCP

IP: Logged @LRG Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 136) posted June 24, 2000 01:56 AM

WAIT a minute , now im confused to all hell (been a rough day maybe im just tired) can someone clear up the shooting up bodypart thing---is it for instance :biceps: take 1cc split it up and put a half cc into each bicep with-in 5min. span, then repeat this 3-4 times thruout the day. is that it? or no WCP id be very happy if you could email me that info also! thanks fellas--sorry im out of it right now

im@LRG

IP: Logged The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1233) posted June 24, 2000 07:53 AM

Hey Val, 2Thick, and Conan are right. I'm on the shit as of now...I started with about 2.5mg's in each bicep, twice a day(impossible for me to do three).

I am now up to around 3 to 3.5mg's per bicep....I'll let you know now what to expect!!!

First, once you shoot(I'm using a 28ga. 1/2 Insulin pin), you will have pretty good localized pain, almost feels as though you biceps knot up....not too intense, but you know you've stuck a fucking needle in there...heh heh heh!

Second, due to it's very short half life, the sides come and go pretty quick...next, I feel as though I'm breathing into a paper bag....kinda short breaths....don't spaz when this happens....it's normal and won't last long....cause the next side gets rid of it!!

Third....when you hear your stomach grumbling....you better be near the shitter!!! Cause you will experience one of those " Dumb and Dumber shit episodes!!! Remember that part in the movie?? Now, a piece of advice from ole Ranger!!!

I've been on a super clean diet for 3 weeks, so I figured last night, what the fuck, I'm gonna shit it out anyway....so, ole Ranger ate a whole pizza....wrong move snapper-head!!! DO NOT...eat pizza....I shit so hard, I was shaking like a three legged dog trying to bury shit on a frozen pond....heh heh heh!!!

After this, everything returns pretty much to normal....pain eases off, and within a few hours...your, good to go!!! I've burnt some fat since I've been on the shit....and again, 2Thick is right....Upjohn...5mg/ml...it comes in 10, or 30ml vials...I have the 30, and the shit goes quick Bro...Good luck!!!

------------------ Ranger

IP: Logged Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 295) posted June 24, 2000 11:09 AM

You can shoot 0.5 cc or 1 cc in each bodypart. Like left bi and right bi. I never take more then 2 cc's at a time. Never more then 5 cc's a day. But that doesn't mean you can't do 10 cc. Sometimes only 0.5 cc per body part. I use a 30 gauge 1/2 inch. Every day between 6 and 8 shots. Shooting in the fat did not give me a good result. It did give me hardness in the abs, like as if a vein that is totally become hard, but only at the place where the shot went in. Don't know what it is, it goes slowly away. So now I shoot right in the abs muscle, which I think (for me) is better. Most all brands are 5 mgr/cc. Shooting in the forearms hurts more then in the upperarm.

Jeff

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IP: Logged 2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 3001) posted June 24, 2000 02:38 PM

Jeff_rys,

You inject into your abs!!!!!

You should be dead......

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IP: Logged Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 295) posted June 24, 2000 03:17 PM

I injected this morning 3x0.5cc and this afternoon 2x0.5 cc. It isn't the first time. I only hope not going through the muscles into an organ. I think as long as it is IN the muscle, it should be ok (I hope). If this gives visible result I will post it. I also did the pecs, and lower back twice. With no result so far. First the abs one day a week.

Jeff

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IP: Logged Original_N2Deep Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) posted June 24, 2000 07:24 PM

I have heard this Pgf2a should be refrigerated is this true. I am interrested in getting some but under my current living conditions I do not have access to a fridge to keep things of that nature. Is it ok just to keep it a room temperature. Thanks

Peace

Ranger any noticable results as of yet??? Which body part seems to be reacting the best??

IP: Logged Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 24, 2000 08:24 PM

The package insert does not indicate that it needs to be refridgerated. Just at a cooler room temp.

IP: Logged The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1233) posted June 24, 2000 08:39 PM

Three days in a row...twicw a day for biceps...up 3/8 an inch...may not seem like much, but it's alot to me.

You do not need to refridgerate the pgf2a by upjohn.

Remember, pgf2a will be destroyed in the lungs as it passes into the blood stream, or at least most of it. Wha'ts left over is the good shit....you may feel like you have a cold in your throat after the injection, but it passes very quickly.

You may experience hypoglycemic like effects....have a protein drink handy....pain is pretty khule!!!

------------------ Ranger

IP: Logged Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 25, 2000 04:36 PM

Here's a note... it hurts like hell!!

[This message has been edited by Big Brother Val (edited June 25, 2000).]

IP: Logged WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1140) posted June 25, 2000 06:43 PM

heh..heh..heh..I see you found what you were looking for Val...Khule!

Later, WCP

IP: Logged Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 26, 2000 02:16 PM

Yeah I did. It's awesome. I can't believe how bad this shit hurts. The shortness of breath, tightness in the chest and neck... all of that isn't so bad. But the muscle pain is incredible. Feels like I worked it harder than I ever have... and I didn't even lift with it. IT'S INSANE!! But I feel more pumped throughout the day. Today will be my first lift on it... and I look forward to crying like a bitch because of the pain... I mean... kickin' ass on it.

IP: Logged The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1233) posted June 26, 2000 02:43 PM

What ever body part your going to work Val...go LIGHT!!! You won't need to go heavy at all, and you will be pumped and burned out quickly....come home, and inject into the body part...shit your guts out....slam the protein....Yup, the pain is very intense, try Calves....heh heh heh....Fuck, I couldn't walk for 30 minutes.....it WAS Khule!!!

------------------ Ranger

IP: Logged Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 295) posted June 26, 2000 02:57 PM

He Ranger, my god man, what doses are you taking in one shot ???

Jeff

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IP: Logged bollocks Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 142) posted June 26, 2000 03:01 PM

look here
http://216.150.5.6/exclusive/dharkam/prostaglandins.htm

IP: Logged Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 26, 2000 03:17 PM

Shit... I'm only at 2.5 mgs per shot per muscle, 2-3 times a day. And my chest hurts so bad I can't stand it. Did chest and shoulders this morning... Feels like I'm constantly doing drop sets of deep dumbell flies it burns so bad... and it DOESN'T GO AWAY for about 2 hours. Kicks ass. Makes me shit like a sick donkey, though, fuck. It's unreal. So I've invested in some Pepto, and will take that after my shots, and see if that can prevent the shits before they start.

IP: Logged The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1233) posted June 26, 2000 04:50 PM

Val...unfortunately...pgf2a causes a sharp contraction of the intestine, and bladder muscles...both of which are smooth. The ab's, forearms, and lower back should be avoided....the shits will stay, as long as you keep upping the dosage....I got sorta used to it...lost the shits....then jacked 5mg's(1cc) into each calf muscle....heh heh heh....funniest home video's ain't got shit on me....Fuck Bro...I had to crawl to the shitter....Hell, I was laughing my ass off the whole damn way, thinking the shit we go through....yup, we're fucked....!!!

But, Ain't it Khule!!!!

------------------ Ranger

IP: Logged The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1233) posted June 26, 2000 06:32 PM

SWOL,

You got mail Bro!!!

------------------ Ranger

IP: Logged Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 26, 2000 07:46 PM

Swol,

Ditto!!

IP: Logged Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 26, 2000 07:59 PM

For anyone still reading this post... I was curious... they say not to take shots into a muscle group for 2 days after you workout with that muscle. I read also that it's primarily because of the pain factor involved. Well... if I didn't mind the pain part... could I inject arms every single day? Or would that be detrimental? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

IP: Logged deadliftr Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) posted June 26, 2000 09:03 PM

guys call me a pussy but the long term sides of this shit scare me..i can deal with the pain n shit, but does anyone know of the long term sides? Also, could you forward me that info as well thanx

dl20

IP: Logged swol Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 124) posted June 27, 2000 01:13 AM

thanks ranger, for the email. but brother val i dont think i got you email. can you try to send it to me again. i am more clear now thanks to ranger on how to administer this pgfa2. seems like everyone has a different way of taking it. some guys tell me that once you built your way up you can take up to 2-4 cc's per body part in one shot. but i think thats too much, and other guys tell me to divide the doses, but never take more than 4 cc's total per day. whats the truth? who knows? i realize this stuff is so new that you have to try different ways and record what works better for you. on a side note just to let everyone know im starting my pgfa2 in 2 weeks. i am scared but im ready, ill keep my progress and administrations posted daily on a post. as well as taking before and after measurements. i will only be using it for my biceps and shoulders. (my two weak points) talk to you all soon, and check on my post if interested in 2 weeks. swol p.s. if anyone has some suggestions let me know.

IP: Logged The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1233) posted June 27, 2000 08:12 AM

Swol, Start VERY slowly Bro....injecting anything over 1cc is insane in my book....heh heh heh.

Increase your dosage slowly as you get used to it...if you ever do...heh heh heh. I have done Bi's for three days in a row, twice a day...then 2 days off, in which I do calves....then back on the Bi's again.

Val, how's the pumps on your Bi's after the injections? What weight did you use?

------------------ Ranger

IP: Logged Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 295) posted June 27, 2000 11:18 AM

He Val, I never use more then 2 cc's at once. It is better to shoot 1 cc in the 2 same muscles, like bi's. Also better to shoot 5x 2cc instead of 2 or 3 times 4 cc. It is harder to shoot in your muscles just a few hours before you train those muscles, then hitting them after training. I never wait, like to hit the tired muscle the same evening, as yesterday arm training and right after when I got home, right in the middle of the bi's. Tri's this morning. My last shot is just before dinner, not after, since I drink wine and it gives me a headache shooting after dinner. So the tri's had to wait. Besides shooting maximum 2 cc's, well I like to save my lungs. Don't want to hurt them too much. As the Ranger says, watch it for your forearms. This hurts harder, I think because the forearms are more dense.

Jeff

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IP: Logged Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 27, 2000 12:11 PM

So technically... I could shoot arms every day if I chose then? I would really prefer that if there aren't any drawbacks.. I thought it may not give my arms much time to recover throughout the week, though. This stuff is great thus far. Hurts like a bitch... a MAJOR bitch... but I'm already starting to see a difference.

IP: Logged The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1233) posted June 27, 2000 12:13 PM

Figured I'd give you guys an update....I went to the doc today to have some blood work done to see if anything was up...I fasted for 12 hours then went.

Blood sugar was OK....Red and white blood cells...OK...blood pressure was a little low....pulse..61....everything else checked out OK...I get the rest of the results tomorro or the next day...I'll keep ya posted...!!

------------------ Ranger

IP: Logged Mr. Nobody Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 195) posted June 27, 2000 12:26 PM

I have been doing (2) 50iu at lunch and (2) 70iu at dinner into quads or calfs for 3 weeks now. Have seen some improvement in my quads, my calfs def. responded very well. Do u guys get the cold chills after your shots. I always feel like I have a fever for about 1-2 hrs. Stomach cramps come occational at the evening shots, but pain is unreal

IP: Logged The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1233) posted June 27, 2000 12:39 PM

I get the cold chills as well....unreal goose bumps sometimes....don't last long at all....the rise in body temp is normal, it's at this poit it's actually killing fat cells....and I have noticed a BIG difference in fat%!!!

------------------ Ranger

IP: Logged Fish Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 443) posted June 27, 2000 12:40 PM

This is a great post. Thanks.

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IP: Logged The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1233) posted June 27, 2000 12:46 PM

Also the ab muscles contract, as well as the bladder muscle. You may notice you piss about three times very quickly after an injection...this is because they are smooth muscles, and you may be injecting closer to them in the evening time....very normal....if your stomach grumbles when this occurs...head to the shitter!!!!

------------------ Ranger

IP: Logged Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 27, 2000 12:57 PM

I also get a rise in temp. Feels like I go through the 24 hour flu in 30 min. I shit so often my asshole feels like I've wiped it raw. Hurts like a motherfuck. The major thing is.. pepto makes it so I don't get the shits... BUT I still shit frequently... and one thing I've noticed is that my shit is almost black. Not that you need to know really... I just find it odd. It's REALLY dark, and is always the same color no matter what I eat. Anyone else goin' through this? Kinda freaky.

IP: Logged The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1233) posted June 27, 2000 01:01 PM

Don't know on that one!!! I'm too fucking afraid to look, figure if I did, my liver would be floating on top...!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

------------------ Ranger

IP: Logged @LRG Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 136) posted June 27, 2000 01:10 PM

this is a great post thats very informative, lets keep it around the top for awile,my ques. is: are any of you on pgf2 with AS at the same time, cause i heard that wouldnt be the best time cause of the insane pumps supposedly you wouldnt be able to work out.---for me this is a concern cause im just about to start a heavy stack---so when is this the best to take---someone said add it between the bulking and cutting phase of my stack for 2-3 wks; ie: sos,eq,dbol--then apply pgf2 after those for2-3wks,then start the fina,primo,winny . if any one could clear that up id appreciate it.

im@LRG

IP: Logged abs4days Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) posted June 27, 2000 01:11 PM

Black, tarry looking stool is a sign of internal bleeding. The blood gets digested and turns black. Usually this bleeding is from your upper GI tract (stomach or small intestines). Have you had problems with bleeding ulcers in the past? Are you taking a lot of aspirin or Motrin?

IP: Logged Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 27, 2000 01:19 PM

It's not really black... more like a tootsie roll color... maybe a little darker. I've never had an ulcer that I know of... and am not taking asprin or any other painkiller at all. Now that I'm shitting myself... hoping I'm not bleeding to death from the inside... But hell... my arms are getting bigger....

Any other info on the bleeding inside shit would be great. Any other signs?

[This message has been edited by Big Brother Val (edited June 27, 2000).]

IP: Logged The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1233) posted June 27, 2000 02:01 PM

You do the pgf2a after and between cycles....you can stay on it for as long as you can deal with the injections...I will say, the sides lessen with time....mine right now aren't bad at all....guess it's time to up the juice!!!

------------------ Ranger

IP: Logged Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 566) posted June 27, 2000 02:08 PM

Well... here's also something odd. One of the veins in my right bicep has kind of changed to a pinkish/light purple color. What the fuck is that? I didn't puncture it with a needle as far as I can tell... no bruising... no blood in the needle... or after withdrawal of the needle. Any ideas on that either????

posted June 29, 2000 04:02 PM            

Jeff