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Author Topic:   Andro to be BANNED by FDA!!!
Mr H
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posted June 26, 2000 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr H   Click Here to Email Mr H     Edit/Delete Message
President Clinton's top drug policy adviser said Monday the muscle-building supplement that Mark McGwire made famous should be classified as a steroid "within a few months."
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2000/0626/605436.html

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Spunky
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posted June 26, 2000 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spunky   Click Here to Email Spunky     Edit/Delete Message
Thats insane.

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ajc1977
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posted June 26, 2000 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
fuck andro anyway.

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superdave
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posted June 26, 2000 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for superdave   Click Here to Email superdave     Edit/Delete Message
Fuck everyone, Im using roids anyway, so Im gonna get mine. Theyre all bitches.

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Duby
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posted June 26, 2000 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duby   Click Here to Email Duby     Edit/Delete Message
I know everyine here doesn't like andro but when it was all I could get I used it and made gains.... You think this is bad, wait till you see this stuff for $200 or $300 on the black market... I say get alot now and sell it when it is illegal... Then take your profit and buy some real juice...

Duby

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Kahn
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posted June 26, 2000 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kahn     Edit/Delete Message
Most of those Senator get their T-shots from a Doc so they don't worry about shit

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Capt'n_Crunch
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posted June 26, 2000 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capt'n_Crunch   Click Here to Email Capt'n_Crunch     Edit/Delete Message
Why doesnt the government just declare us as a fascist state, since that is where we are going sooner or later anyway........

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powerhouse2k
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posted June 26, 2000 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for powerhouse2k   Click Here to Email powerhouse2k     Edit/Delete Message
What the fuck? I just read that before coming to the board. Why don't those assholes crawl up someone elses ass besides bodybuilders. Everytime I turn around the government is banning shit. I guess they run 3 tests on it to see if it should be classified as a steroid. And its passed 2 already. Only means more dudes turning right back to the sauce if it becomes illegal. Fuck, if test is so bad for ya why don't they start castrating people at birth. My balls should be illegal cause they make test. Sorry for the rant bro's, just pissed at this bull shit.

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Curious
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posted June 26, 2000 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Curious     Edit/Delete Message
Who gives a fuck about Andro. It's horseshit. It just shows even more how fucked up this country's priorities are. Steroids and Andro doesn't hurt anyone. All this country wants to do is have control over everthing possible. They're power hungry. If I have to see one more commercial about how tobacco kills I'm gonna vomit. I myself don't smoke but they have made this the big killer of society. The only people this is killing (except for a few affected by second hand smoke) is the dumb fuckers who consentually do it. What about the poor bastards who get killed in head on collisions by drunk assholes. You don't hear shit about stopping alcohol...cause those righteous pricks would hate to not have their martini before they kiss each others asses about how good they are for supporting the "fight" against tobacco. Sorry...got off in a rant there.

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Steriod_Virgin
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posted June 26, 2000 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steriod_Virgin   Click Here to Email Steriod_Virgin     Edit/Delete Message
Oh well.. next they will ban saliva, and arrest us all for swallowing.

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powerhouse2k
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posted June 27, 2000 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for powerhouse2k   Click Here to Email powerhouse2k     Edit/Delete Message
Curious, tobacco kills comercials do suck. HAHAHA your reply was great!! Loved it. And for those that don't care about Andro its only a matter of time until ephedrine waves bye bye or the next legal anabolic edge. The fact that its andro makes no difference, its about personal freedom, you jack asses. Wise up.

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glenbenton
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posted June 27, 2000 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for glenbenton   Click Here to Email glenbenton     Edit/Delete Message
if andro would have been banned from the start i wouldnt have gyno. that shit does nothing to build muscle its trash

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Eramthgin
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posted June 27, 2000 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eramthgin   Click Here to Email Eramthgin     Edit/Delete Message
bump glen it is shit.

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Jay Z
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posted June 27, 2000 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Z   Click Here to Email Jay Z     Edit/Delete Message
I guess we should buy as much andro that we can right now and sell it to young kids for 3 times the price later on!!! i'm going to check out dpsnutrition.com right now and find the chapest andro so i could sell it later and get some real AS!

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Cut2DaMax
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posted June 27, 2000 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cut2DaMax   Click Here to Email Cut2DaMax     Edit/Delete Message
powerhouse2k: LMAO..."Fuck, if test is so bad
for ya why don't they start castrating people at birth. My balls should be illegal cause they make test."...thats f'n hilarious.
but really...who gives a shit if they ban andro?

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Frackal
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posted June 27, 2000 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frackal   Click Here to Email Frackal     Edit/Delete Message
Fuck. If they ban ephedrine I won't be able to wake up in the morning.

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Blow
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posted June 27, 2000 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blow     Edit/Delete Message
Andro is so expensive anyway, it would be better to spend a little more and get juice. Im too young right now to take andro so i could give two shits if it did become illigal, when im older im just gona get some gear anyway.

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Vitaman
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posted June 27, 2000 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vitaman   Click Here to Email Vitaman     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 77744808
This is definately going in the wrong direction. If Andro gets banned than forget about steriods ever being legalized. I guess I better stock up on my creatine and protein powder before they somehow meet their requirements to get banned.

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bad brains
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posted June 27, 2000 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bad brains   Click Here to Email bad brains     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 68109812
Fuck the government, fuck the police and fuck customs...bunch of sorry bastards, they all hate their lives so they want to make others miserable...and misery loves company.

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Vlad67
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posted June 27, 2000 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vlad67   Click Here to Email Vlad67     Edit/Delete Message
...probably for one of the first times im going to agree with the govt for banning andro..... there are way too many sides with this product and it is very easily accessible.... i think (americans in particular) that we are so used to being mothered by our govt that we have the attitude that if its legal that its safe....andro is very different than amino acids and can really fuck you up if you do not use them with respect.....and the fact that they are probably the first and worst thing a teen would use because it is so easy to get...... although it is not always the case there is a certain amount of disipline and repect gained by seeking out real gear...... it would be nice if everyone was smart enough not to abuse anything we get our hands on so that we could make gear and other things legal.....unfortunatly we keep proving ourselves otherwise

... did that sound bitter?

VK

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Dexter
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posted June 27, 2000 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dexter   Click Here to Email Dexter     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 71953041
I think it just might create a bigger market for the real stuff. No complaints.

Dexter

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The_Blond_Myth
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posted June 27, 2000 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The_Blond_Myth   Click Here to Email The_Blond_Myth     Edit/Delete Message
It's up to the parents to decide what the kiddies can take, NOT the fucking government, I go gyno from andro too, fucking pisses me off, no gains and fucking gyno off the shit.

LP

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supraman
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posted June 27, 2000 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for supraman     Edit/Delete Message
Good its garbage!
But it does piss me off how the government thinks they can control anything and everything....Deomocracy? NO

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Dark Stalker
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posted June 27, 2000 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dark Stalker   Click Here to Email Dark Stalker     Edit/Delete Message
Some of you got gyno from that $%&$ of andro ? Shit ! I agree with you Curious ! They just put their money in the wrong fields ! Stop killers and violent crimes, let the people do what they want with their bodies !!!

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GETCUT
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posted June 27, 2000 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GETCUT   Click Here to Email GETCUT     Edit/Delete Message
banning andro?? they should ban it for ripping people off because they didn't get no gains off the shit. andro sucks anyway. what a joke!

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GETCUT
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posted June 27, 2000 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GETCUT   Click Here to Email GETCUT     Edit/Delete Message
i hear everybody saying that's why mcgwire hit all those homeruns. give me a break...in order to hit some homeruns you still have to make contact with the ball. you don't have to be real strong.

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bigal
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posted June 27, 2000 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigal   Click Here to Email bigal     Edit/Delete Message
Hey bros, yea Andro sucks, but that's not the issue here. It's big brother telling us what we can and can't do. If they get this bill passed, then they will have made inroads into being able to ban all supplements, creatine, amino's, even protein if they so desire. They will have set a precedent if this shit passes. I'd better stop here, this just PISSES me OFF. What will they take away next?

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BIG RICK ROCK
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posted June 27, 2000 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BIG RICK ROCK   Click Here to Email BIG RICK ROCK     Edit/Delete Message

IF ANDRO GETS BANNED THEN, KISS THIS BOARD GOOD BYE!!!!

How do you think that George pays to keep this site up?????

he owns a supplement company and he sells Andro products,
if Andro is banned then George is gonna lose money and if he looses money then guess whst happens to this board????

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foreverblast
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posted June 27, 2000 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for foreverblast   Click Here to Email foreverblast     Edit/Delete Message
how much will I have to pay for oxygen on the black market?

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grosso
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posted June 27, 2000 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grosso     Edit/Delete Message
WHEN THIS SHOULD HAPPEN ?

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George Spellwin
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posted June 27, 2000 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for George Spellwin   Click Here to Email George Spellwin     Edit/Delete Message
The 4 andro-diols, the 5 andro-diols and the nor-andros are great supplements. Many athletes have made huge gains with them. I am sorry that some of you did not have success with them.

Of course the andros (usually the andro-diones not the diols) can cause gyno if taken at an abusive dosage over a prolonged period of time. So can testosterone.

I would hate to see these products pulled. They are the only really effective and legal thing that we have. Do not make the mistake of thinking that if it is legal it will not work. Virtually all of my consultation clients have done a botched steroid cycle and call me to get some good advise the second time around. They unanimously say that they thought that their first cycle would work like magic when it did not because of other variables.

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Gilbyag
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posted June 27, 2000 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gilbyag     Edit/Delete Message
Flame me if you will bros. But Andro is what brought me to this board, and it works for me for about 3 weeks then the effects fade so I lay off for a while, then I take them again and the strength increase is there again. No bitch tits either. Ive been using them off and on since Jan. I gotta agree with George. Ive never said anything cuz you fellas always say its shit. Like George said, sorry you didnt get out of it what I am.
Thanx for put'n out Norabol George, it works alot better than the stuff I had before. A female friend of mine and I went in on it when you had the 1 free for 2 deal. Still have it and still using it. Just an FYI George, we've found if we take it only on lift days it takes longer to build a tolerance to it, and the strenght gains stay. As opposed to the recommended dosage.

LET THE FLAMES BEGIN!!!

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Marauder
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posted June 27, 2000 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marauder   Click Here to Email Marauder     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 78227755
Well, I wonder what all those andro users that talk shit about us juicers are gonna do now? Marauder out.

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goleafs
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posted June 27, 2000 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goleafs   Click Here to Email goleafs     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 64961519
oh well?

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Formula
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posted June 27, 2000 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Formula   Click Here to Email Formula     Edit/Delete Message
Stack up on Andro!!

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Swollen
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posted June 27, 2000 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swollen   Click Here to Email Swollen     Edit/Delete Message
FUCK PRESIDENT CLINTON AND THE FDA! Democratic Presidents are always assissinated, for good reason too, they suck. So why the fuck hasn't this guy gotten his?

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Swollen
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posted June 27, 2000 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swollen   Click Here to Email Swollen     Edit/Delete Message
FUCK PRESIDENT CLINTON AND THE FDA! Democratic Presidents are always assissinated, for good reason too, they suck. So why the fuck hasn't this guy gotten his?

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Big Brother Val
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posted June 27, 2000 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Big Brother Val   Click Here to Email Big Brother Val     Edit/Delete Message
I think it's because sports are so big in this country. They don't want anyone thinking that our athletes aren't 100% pure. Yet how many people does smoking and alcohol kill... and all the government does with that is tax it... to make money off of it. That's okay... they allow oil companies to pollute the air... and some companies to dumb toxic waste into the ocean as long as it's an "acceptable level".
We're headed to hell in a handbasket, guys. Roid up... and be as big as you fuckin' can while you can.
Shit our government is corrupt.

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George Spellwin
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posted June 27, 2000 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for George Spellwin   Click Here to Email George Spellwin     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Gilbyag,

I am glad to hear you like Norabol. Actually, it is not an andro product, but a nor-andro product. This means that it converts in the liver to Nandrolone making gyno VERY unlikely.

We were the first to sell 19-nor in the US, and it does work. The raws for Norabol are expensive and as such there is a huge incentive to substitute androstenedione instead. I know that many manufacturers do this.

I just hate to see good supplements bashed because other supplement companies can be unscrupulous.

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MP5
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posted June 27, 2000 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MP5   Click Here to Email MP5     Edit/Delete Message
I never got shit off andro, and for the price you could get some test... but, the fact is our government is stripping away our freedoms, especially the fucking democrats. Since the Clinton/Gore administration the prosecution of violent crime has dropped like 40%, Why? Because they want the public and media to think it is guns fault so they can enforce more laws, and more government. The truth is they want total control of the citizens of this country. Tobacco is legal and alchohol has killed millions. I have not had one friend die from roids, andro or guns yet these are the focus? makes little sense.

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mightydog
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posted June 27, 2000 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mightydog   Click Here to Email mightydog     Edit/Delete Message
Piss on andro and anyone who sells it.

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thermo
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posted June 27, 2000 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thermo     Edit/Delete Message
i heard andro is shit anyway -someone told me they took it and had zero gains and big acne from it-plus people keep sayin its expensive but trulghuge.com selld bottles of it for 20 bucks

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ajc1977
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posted June 27, 2000 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ajc1977     Edit/Delete Message
The only time I got anything (not much) from andro was when I was injecting Impact 250 (sterile solution)- For what I payed, I could have bought some Sust, though.

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chestyII
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posted June 27, 2000 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chestyII   Click Here to Email chestyII     Edit/Delete Message
I think the point has been missed. Yes, some have gotten gyno from andro, even more have gotten gyno from steroids (lack of knowledge, abuse incorrect stacks...)

Guess what bro's, WAKE UP! We are in a war for our personal freedom! Everytime the gov't takes away a right to make a choice, takes a way a right garaunteed by the Constitution, WE LOOSE!

Right now the two biggest things on the gov'ts platter is tobacco and gun control. While the right to bear arms is garaunteed by the Constitution, tobacco is not, yet it is a freedom that we have enjoyed since the founding of this Country.

If we continue to let gov't take away our freedoms piece by piece, one day we won't be worrying about how or where to obtain juice, we won't have a discussion board, nor the freedom to speak our minds. We will be totally controlled, told when to eat shit piss and sleep.

It doesnt' matter that it is about andro it could be any product or right. Stand up and vote, introduce legislature, let the freaks in DC know how we really feel.

okay i am done ranting.

chesty

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xrciseink
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posted June 27, 2000 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for xrciseink     Edit/Delete Message
I have said it for a while now. The andros do work! You need to work to make them work, but they do work. I still have a very difficult time with Bill Clinton. Him and his staff are so concerned with drugs rather than real crime. I hope he does not get re-elected, I feel he is the worse President we have ever had......and most corrupt. This "drug war" is war on our own people, nothing more. STOP THE WAR! STOP LOCKING UP OUR OWN PEOPLE & START LOCKING UP CRIMINALS! USERS HAVE A DISEASE, KING PINS HAVE A BUSINESS! QUIT USING KING PIN LAWS AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT KING PINS! THIS WAR MAKES ME SICK! Stop the WAR!

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Mr H
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posted June 27, 2000 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr H   Click Here to Email Mr H     Edit/Delete Message
>>I hope he does not get re-elected<<

Seems like a longshot to me ;-P

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chestyII
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posted June 27, 2000 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chestyII   Click Here to Email chestyII     Edit/Delete Message
Okay, guys, Clinton cannot get re-elected. He has already been re-elected once. And if you think the general public is not stupid enough to re-elect a similare freak like Gore, Hey, they re-elected clinton...

chesty

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Mr H
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posted June 27, 2000 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr H   Click Here to Email Mr H     Edit/Delete Message
It's sad that the only guy running worth a damn didn't win his parties nomination. McCain would make a much better President than either one of these idiots. It's sad, but if it comes down to these two guys (cant really see anyone jumping in now) Gore gets my vote.

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Curious
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How come whenever we elect a president we always elect the same carbon copy mother fucker...and then everyone and I mean everyone agrees how much better the other guy was and how much better things would be if we had elected him. Yet these same people go and elect the carbon copy of the previous bum-fuck. You know what it is...everyone is afraid of change. It's like the girl who dumps the nice guy who treats her good and go's back out with the bastard who beats her. It's all about comfortability. People are comfortable with the messed-up way that things are. They are afraid to take a chance on someone different. When Jesse Ventura got elected to office I think it was one of the best things that could have happened. Someone finally took a chance. Until people start taking a chance things are never going to change and we have no one to blame but ourselves.

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xrciseink
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posted June 28, 2000 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for xrciseink     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Chesty, I know he can't`be re-elected, and that was a mistake in typing on my part, but what you said is exactly what I ment.

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KidRock
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posted June 28, 2000 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KidRock   Click Here to Email KidRock     Edit/Delete Message
I am very sorry to disagree with you George, but the 5-diols are definately estrogens. I can't agree that you think the 5-diols are good products, and testing on these products are going to be made public, and no doubt about it, the 5-diols attatch right to the estrogen receptor.....they are estrogens and are going to be classified as estrogens. Just off personal experience and first hand knowledge, I know of six people who never had any problem with gyno until taking the 5-diols.....the gains are not good and I have seen more fat gains than muscular gains. Just my experience. Still appreciate you and the board though and I hope you don't hold this post against me. However having witnessed the problems for over a year with very experienced bodybuilders, I must speak my mind. Sorry I'm bashing a product you sell.

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