posted June 26, 2000 12:37 AM            

I did find this informative though.
Enjoy,
WCP

Why Billy has Breasts: The Story of Estrogen
A Biochemical Over-View of Estrogen
By Grendel

Meet poor Billy. Billy stands over 6 feet tall and weighs around 270 pounds. Billy was born a healthy normal man, but now Billy has an exciting career as an exotic dancer thanks to his use of steroids without anti-estrogens. To understand what happened to poor Billy lets examine estrogen and its relationship to male use of anabolic steroids.

Estrogens regulate the growth, differentiation, and functioning of diverse target tissues, both within and outside of the reproductive system. Most of the actions of estrogens appear to be exerted via the estrogen receptor (ER) of target cells, an intracellular receptor that is a member of a large super family of proteins that function as ligand-activated transcription factors, regulating the synthesis of specific RNAs and proteins. This process is almost identical to the action by which anabolic steroids effect protein synthesis.

Estrogen is also a steroid hormone, although not used for athletic enhancement. However, estrogen plays a key role in the use of AAS. Certain steroids, at high enough dosages, can convert via the enzyme aromatase into other hormones; in the case of testosterone-based steroids this other hormone is usually estrogen. Steroids with a dihydrotestosterone (DHT) base are not subject to aromatization; as a metabolite of testosterone its structure is not affected by the aromatase. Steroids with 17-alkylated structures generally convert into weaker estrogens. Some steroids, such as nandrolone (deca-durabolin) or trenbolone (parabolan, or in most people's cases Finaplex) convert into progesterone.

High dosages of steroids for prolonged periods also shut down the body's natural production of certain hormones (particularly testosterone) when steroid therapy is stopped the body attempts to establish homeostasis by adjusting hormonal levels. The average ratio of testosterone to estrogen in a healthy male is 100:1. When drugs increase the testosterone in the body, the body will respond by increasing the estrogen in the body. Additionally, estrogen circulates in the body bound to the protein SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) as does the testosterone. SHBG is produced in the liver and use of steroids increases the production of this protein; which has a very high receptor affinity for testosterone. With more SHBG in the body, more testosterone is bound, becoming inactive as only free testosterone can activate an androgen receptor. SHBG, however, has poorer receptor affinity for estrogen and more active free estrogen circulates in the body, further altering the hormonal balance. These effects of steroids (i.e. the potential for conversion into estrogen, as well as the disruption of the hormonal balance in the body) can cause serious side effects in male users Thus, steroid users seek ways to block this estrogen from affecting them.

That is all a very nice and formal way of saying that you need to be taking anti-estrogens when you are using steroids. See, without the anti-estrogens you get all sorts of pleasant side effects, not limited to a nice pair of breasts (with oh -so tender nipples) and extra body fat! Without anti-estrogens you will end up like poor Bobby, shaking his titties in the face of wealthy Japanese businessmen. No, seriously, this article will explore how to effectively use anti-estrogens to prevent many of the side effects that accompany anabolic steroid usage.

The Drugs Are Your Friends

Oral clomiphene citrate (Clomid) is an ovulation stimulant used to treat ovulatory failure in women. Oral tamoxifen citrate (Nolvadex) belongs to a class of antineoplastics called antiestrogens. It is used to treat breast cancer. Body builders use both of these drugs. Why on earth would they do that? The answer is that both of these drugs are anti-estrogens. The term anti-estrogen is a little inaccurate. This class of pharmaceutical does not engage in some sort of matter/anti-matter reaction, annihilating estrogen in a blinding burst of anabolic goodness. Rather, let us think of the classical anti-estrogen drugs (such as nolvadex and clomid) as estrogen receptor antagonists (ERA). These ERAs are chemicals that are close enough in structure to estrogen to fit into the estrogen receptor site; however these chemicals do not have the same chemical effect as estrogen. The result is that any estrogen produced by the body or exogenous estrogen cannot find an open receptor site to attach to. The free-floating estrogen then presents far less problems to homeostasis.

There is a lot of conflict over using nolvadex, clomid and other ERAs. The regulation of estrogen-induced cellular effects is a multi-step molecular process. The diversity of estrogen and anti-estrogen effects on cellular functions is also modulated by tissue and gene specificity. This diversity of reaction may be explained by different levels of molecular regulation, including the presence of two distinct estrogen receptor isoforms (ER alpha and ER beta), their binding to activator or co-repressor transcriptional proteins, and their affinity to different DNA binding domains of target genes (estrogen responsive element or API). These mechanisms may account for the specific responses to estrogens or anti-estrogens according to tissue, cell or gene level. Therefore, in English, a drug like nolvadex, which targets breast tissues, is going to do a better job of preventing gynocomastia than is clomid. However clomid has the benefit of boosting the levels of follicle stimulating hormone, which helps restore the bodies natural testosterone levels and protects against testicular atrophy. It also increases ejaculatory capacity; by the way, so it's best to be considerate to those you care about (or those you employ, I suppose). That was my public service message for the month, by the way. I imagine that this is has something to do with LSH and FSH production in the body triggering the production of more semen, but I am not sure. Ask Bill Roberts over at the mighty TOSSED-OFF-TERONE.NET, or better yet, contact Greg Zulak c/o MuscleMag.

Many people stop using their ERA drugs when they end the cycle. That is a terrible idea. Clomid, as we have already discussed, helps immensely with your recovery processes. But remember, there is almost always an estrogen backlash to having been using testosterone drugs for so long. Therefore, many symptoms of high estrogen levels appear after the cycle. I would continue to use both Clomid and Nolvadex for up to 3 weeks after the last of the drugs have left your body. Remember, if on Friday you take 500 mg of a longer acting drug like Sustanon, then don't consider the following few weeks are truly off time. That is why it is important to know how long the drugs are effective in your body and yet another reason to switch to faster acting drugs in the last few weeks of a cycle.

Effective dosages of these two drugs are debated. I would recommend that the two drugs be used together, Nolvadex at 20 mg per day, and clomid at 50 mg per day. If Nolvadex is used by itself, 20-40 mg are sufficient. 50-100 mg of clomid can be used if clomid is the only ERA drug. Clomid should be used for two weeks after the last steroid injection to help return your body to its natural hormonal state. Nolvadex and Clomid are mildly expensive, but very available because they are not scheduled drugs and can be legally imported. Check the Anabolic Extreme Forum for the email address of one Mr. SBC who can help obtain these vital drugs.

There is a second class of drug used to combat estrogen side effects from what is grandly called steroid therapy; there are aromatase inhibitors. As mentioned previously in this article, the body can convert testosterone into estrogen using the enzyme aromatase. This second group of drugs, which I will call the inhibitors, prevents this process from occurring at all. This class of medication is generally only prescribed for severe conditions and is generally more expensive then any of the ERA.

Teslac, (testolactone), has fallen out of favor for several reasons. First of all, almost one gram daily is needed to achieve sufficient estrogen synthesis inhibition. This makes this a very expensive drug to use. Also, it is currently a scheduled drug because it is a testosterone derivate. Cytadren (aminoglutethimide) is a better choice, requiring dosages of between 250-500 mg per day to suppress estrogen synthesis. 250mg cytadren doesn't cause significant desmolase inhibition, so there would still be cortisol and other steroids, while estrogen is minimized! Cytadren is used therapeutically to combat Cushing's syndrome because it also interferes with the body's ability to synthesis cortisol. Sounds like fun, huh�no cortisol, no estrogen. What a fantastic environment. Tell that to Andreas Munzer! Cytadren can cause cysts as well as effect things like blood clotting. It is reported that Munzer used 1-2g(!) of cytadren/day! Therefore cytadren use should be done with precision. Arimidex (anastrozole) is a drug designed to combat second stage breast cancer. It is an extremely potent drug; one pill per day is sufficient to almost entirely inhibit estrogen in the body. However, the draw back is that this one pill per day can cost you around ten dollars.

The final conclusion about inhibitors is that these are far more powerful drugs then the ERA. All the drugs listed above effect a much wider hormonal spread then the anti-estrogens and they are also going to cost you a lot more. Of all the drugs mentioned, I think that arimidex is the most useful drug for the body builder. Duchaine helped promote cytadren, particularly because of its anti-catabolic ability to suppress cortisol. But, even he acknowledged the double-edged sword that this drug was. Too little cortisol is painful to the joints and in the end, extremely dangerous. I would not recommend the use of cytadren, but I have provided the moderate dosage schemes. The bottom line: These are not drugs to pop like M&Ms.

The Argument Against Our Little Friends:

But these drugs decrease your gains right? Damn it. I hate hearing that phrase clutched to�you guessed it�peoples' breast like a mantra. First of all, there is no way of telling what your gains would have been like without nolvadex or clomid. The scientific evidence that gave rise to this whole dispute (which I believe Duchaine had a hand in too) is that in addition to its anti-estrogenic action requiring estrogen receptors (ER) and leading to growth arrest of breast cancers, studies have previously shown that the anti-hormone tamoxifen (nolvadex) is able to block EGF, insulin and IGF-I mitogenic activities in total absence of estrogens. Thus the excessive use of anti-estrogens will actually result in a loss of some of the most anabolic of hormones (insulin and insulin-like growth factor 1). Steroid antagonists can inhibit not only the action of agonist ligands of the receptors they are binding to, but can also modulate the action of growth factors by decreasing their receptor concentrations or altering their functionality.

Translation: Yes, you are probably compromising your anabolic state by using ERA. But does that mean they shouldn't be used? No. I have heard statements so ridiculous as "Don't use anti-estrogens, they cut into your gains and cost too much. Just get surgery". Lovely, just fucking brilliant. Sure, like surgery isn't going to cut into your workouts or your gains. If you are swayed by the logic of just getting the surgery, I have a recommendation. Go get a pair of kitchen scissors. Ok, now, pull down your pants exposing your atrophied testicles suspended in your pimpled scrotum. Place the base of the scrotum in-between the scissor blades and apply extreme force. Thank you, you have helped the human race by ensuring you cannot procreate and pass on your inferior genetics�if you already have children please place them in a sack and toss them into a lake to drown.

I hope this article has proved helpful to you. If only poor Billy had spent those extra dollars on some Nolvadex, then perhaps he would not be the top billing at the local titty bar. This article may have gotten a little heavy at times with the technical jargon, and I apologize for that. Certainly, its not as much fun as discussing getting huge or getting ripped so you can get laid. But this an important topic if you are going to responsibly use steroids. I do not think that anyone should take their first shot or pill before they have secured enough ERA and/or inhibitors. All you have to do is look at almost any message board to see a desperate plea for Nolvadex or clomid from someone who is mid-cycle and has started to feel the begins of a lump under his nipple. The telltale tumor, you got to love it, huh Ronnie Coleman. There are always those people who claim to never get any problems no matter how much they take, that's great. There are also people who get gyno from androstenediol. I wouldn't want to find out I was a member of the second group and not have the appropriate drugs on hand. How do you know if you are going to be effected? You really can't know until you have some experience with heavy androgens. If you were over-weight as a child (many men experience some degree of gyno in puberty) you have a higher risk. But the bottom line is that no one should begin a cycle without having these drugs nearby. Surgery is not a viable alternative to anti-estrogens.

As always, I am available to answer questions at [email protected] and I make it a point to get answers back to everyone who writes in. I am interested to know what sort of articles the Anabolic Extreme readers want to see. If you have any suggestion, pass them on to me or Jason and we will try our best to oblige.

Copyright 2000 Jason Meuller and Anabolic Extreme. This material may not be copied, reproduced, or transmitted without the express written permission of the copyright owners.

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posted June 26, 2000 01:48 AM            

actually im an exotic dancer now.....

hehe. thanks bro for putting that up, ill bump it for a while and hopefully itll get some questions answered in advance.

posted June 26, 2000 03:31 AM            

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Ranger

posted June 26, 2000 06:27 AM            

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Expect the unexpected.

posted June 26, 2000 07:16 AM            

Jeff

posted June 26, 2000 09:11 AM            

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SIZE MATTERS MOST

posted June 26, 2000 12:19 PM            

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Born to fight, Trained to kill, Ready to Die, But never will!

posted June 26, 2000 02:33 PM            

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****"What we do in life, echoes an eternity!"**** GLADIATOR

posted June 26, 2000 03:02 PM            

Jeff

posted June 26, 2000 03:12 PM         

It also says that nandrolone converts to progesterone.

posted June 26, 2000 05:52 PM            

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I against I.........H.R.