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  Steroid effectiveness over time, aka is receptor downgrade a myth?

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giantset
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posted June 26, 2000 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for giantset   Click Here to Email giantset     Edit/Delete Message
After looking into receptor downgrade and the post currently on the board, I got to thinking. Say you naturally have a serum testosterone level of 600ng/dL and you have plateaued at 230lbs. You cycle 500mg of testosterone a week and say this raises your serum testosterone to about 3000ng/dL. After a few months you plateau again at 250lbs with the same amount of bodyfat. From reading the articles listed on the receptor downgrade site it seems like once you stop using the steroids you will slowly drop back down to 230lbs assuming that your serum testosterone levels also drop back to 600ng/dL. If you again use 500mg of test a week and again raise your test levels to 3000ng/dL then you will slowly approach 250lbs. However if you use 600mg of test and say raise your test levels to 3500ng/dL then you might plateau at 255lbs with the same level of bodyfat. These articles gave me the impression that each person has a specific maintainable lean body mass at any given sustained serum testosterone level. Therefore it would not make sense to take time off because you will just be losing ground. Going along with this possibly misguided theory, if you want to weigh 250lbs then all you need to do is acheive the serum testosterone levels that are necessary for you as an individual to sustain 250lbs of lean mass and eventually with proper diet and training you will gravitate towards 250lbs. This is of course assuming that a person has reached his genetic potential at the specified serum testosterone levels. This would also lead to the idea that you could attain the same gains every cycle if you could attain a proportionately increasing level of serum testosterone levels. There are many factors that could come into play here to change the results like training, diet, and genetics as well as estrogen levels. Well I have rambled on enough. This is just an idea that I pulled out of my ass while doing some research and naturally I am making some huge assumptions. What do you guys think?

If you haven't read the articles take a look at the post "receptor downgrade" and read them. It might just change your idea of cycling and the "crazy guys" that choose to stay on year round.

Later,
giantset

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scott825
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posted June 26, 2000 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for scott825   Click Here to Email scott825     Edit/Delete Message
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ironmaster
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posted June 26, 2000 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ironmaster   Click Here to Email ironmaster     Edit/Delete Message
Alhough I never suggest this to anyone else, I must admit that I don't really cycle anymore. Pretty much always on, except for switching between toxics and milder stuff from time to time. I just got tired of the ups and downs. Several years ago, I went off for 6 months. My body comp changed so much, I swore never again.. Now, I have been in the life for 20 plus years, have no serious side effects and I just want to maintain, and gain a few quality pounds a year. Just one man's personal experience.

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