posted June 25, 2000 06:48 PM            

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Has anyone ever tried cutting with GH only (in other words no AS)? Is it a total waste of money? I'm asking because I'm thinking about competing in a randomly tested event (definitely not a 'natural' show though). Would the GH be any use in the last 4 weeks after I stop taking oral winny and anavar? If so, how could I use it. I'm a chick if that helps.

Thanks guys

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posted June 25, 2000 11:29 PM            

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I know a top level fitness competitor who is using only GH and a little t3 to get ready for her show. It is expensive but still useful. I would recommend longer than 4 weeks usage (maybe 8 weeks)at about 2-3 i.u. per day. 6 days on one day off

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posted June 26, 2000 11:04 AM            

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Lorenzo, sure do like your GH info. Like to know evrything you know about the stuff!

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posted June 26, 2000 06:00 PM            

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Thanks Lorenzo.

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posted June 26, 2000 09:07 PM            

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renagade--- I would like to keep it a secret but I think it's the greatest shit out there. Besides having 2 numb arms that feel like they are going to fall off, it is an awesome addition to any bodybuilders drug portfolio. I would recommend it to all.... if you don't mind a few painful and nagging side effects.

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posted June 26, 2000 09:38 PM            

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I just read an article that seems to say that GH with test is more effective in "blunting body fat accretion" than GH alone. The reference was Frisch in the Journal of Endocrin Investigation, 1999. Who knows, though. Anyone have personal experience with this? Maybe it was the t-3 in the earlier post?

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posted June 26, 2000 09:49 PM            

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lorenzo has been on hgh longer than me, so i cant say anything about fat loss. at 9ius a day, my joints and muscles ACHED!! of course you need muscle srength and endurance if you want to gain muscle. and yes i am using test with it. my opinion is that there are better drugs for shedding fat such as eca combos, clenbuterol, appetite suppressants, prozac works like a charm without suffering from too low cal diet or hunger pain/cravings, etc.. in fact i got the most shredded(5% bf) on prozac. hgh is a long term drug, (3+months). my choice to use hgh was for its muscle hypeplasia effects and to heal up a few muscle injuries.

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posted June 27, 2000 01:06 AM            

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Not for nothing Pops but that sounds very expensive (9iu's/day). Would you be willing to say how much that ended up costing you. I am at that level now where A.S. are giving limited results and need something more.

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posted June 27, 2000 01:26 AM            

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i think that it sucks..too expensive and you don't need it unless you're 40 or older...there's a whole bunch of other stuff that is better and chaper

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posted June 27, 2000 05:08 AM            

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i would have to agree and say hgh sounds better on paper....so far. ive been at it a month now at about 9ius a day. am alot bigger, but not much stronger. am at week 4 of sos 250 at 500mg a week. im a lot tighter, not holding water though. will do anothr 6 weeks of sos, and then follow up with 4 weeks of primobolan depot at 4oomg a week. i hope to finish at about 220 lbs. am currently 210 lbs. so i have about 10 more weeks of hgh therapy. will see how all goes. but so far so good. all my buds have claimed LOTS of weight gain with serostim. these guys are very lean and sinewy. very muscular.

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posted June 27, 2000 12:16 PM            

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Lorenzo, is the arms falling asleep from GH or just A.S. use. I've had this problem for awhile and from what I gather is that we pack on muscle so fast that we pinch vains off at the base of our neck just anough to slow blood flow down causeing arm to fall asleep but if I'm wrong please correct me. Thanks again for your help with this Lorenzo.

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posted June 27, 2000 05:14 PM            

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Thanks for your input guys. I would prefer to take ECA, clen etc... but even these will test 'positive' in a sports drug analysis. And by the way, I am 40+ years old so that makes a difference to perhaps.

I know hGH works better for mass-gains when stacked with an AAS etc..., but that's just not an option for me. Frickin urine tests pick up everything these days. I just thought that since hGH helps people with wasting diseases to hold on to muscle that it might be of benefit in a calorie restricted low %bf situation. Sounds like the jury is still undecided.......

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posted June 27, 2000 10:45 PM            

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renegade--- you know I never thought of the muscle build up as the culprit. But it seems very logical to me! I have always injected into the shoulder and thought that was the reason for the numbness in the arms specifically. But I know people that inject elsewhere but have the same problem in the arms. I have to assume that it is only from the GH because I have been doing AS for years and have never had a problem quite like this. I have to say that it's strange and very interesting to see what these drugs (GH mainly) do to your body. I will let you know how things go... I just hope that the numbness subsides a little.

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posted June 28, 2000 01:29 AM            

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Lorenzo---Do keep me (us) posted on the outcome. I really like the way G/H seems to work on people as a Cutter and a masser depending on whatnits stacked with. Your info is always great to hear. Keep up the good work bro and good luck MS.

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