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 Winny only cycle, is clomid necessary?
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scooby Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 25) |
posted June 23, 2000 04:05 PM
  
I know its not necessary during, but is it necessary post cycle since winny is a mild steroid? IP: Logged |
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imcd Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted June 23, 2000 04:40 PM
not really IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 281) |
posted June 23, 2000 04:41 PM
no since Winny is a Dihydrotestosterone, as Primobolan, Masteron. Winny is sometimes used to fight gyno. Jeff ------------------ IP: Logged |
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msg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273) |
posted June 23, 2000 04:42 PM
it may not be but it will definitely help to restore your natural test production that can actually be significantly diminished. i would use it. IP: Logged |
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msg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273) |
posted June 23, 2000 04:51 PM
jeff, what do you mean winny and primo are a dht? only test converts to dht bro. winny is used to combat gyno only because it is a weak anti-progesterone. IP: Logged |
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scooby Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 25) |
posted June 23, 2000 05:29 PM
I was also wondering, if for some odd reason I develop gyno, cause I'm thinking of adding test to the winny. How will I know if I have it? Will my nipples just look puffy, or will they hurt? IP: Logged |
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scooby Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 25) |
posted June 23, 2000 06:54 PM
BUMP IP: Logged |
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DREXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 158) |
posted June 23, 2000 07:07 PM
You will know about the gyno. Your nipples usually just fall off  IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 573) |
posted June 23, 2000 07:51 PM
Msg, stanazolol is in fact derived from DHT, as is primobalan, just as boldenone is derived from testosterone or nandrolone is derived from 19-nortestosterone. DHT derivatives, however, don't generally cause suppression to a great enough degree that you would require clomid during the cycle. A post-cycle course of clomid should be sufficient. IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 281) |
posted June 24, 2000 01:58 PM
they are derivates from DHT (as the Truth says). I did 3x12 weeks of Primo and 1x8 weeks of Winstrol and never used Clomid. I could not find any, but didn't need any either. Now I know a few sources who have them. Jeff ------------------ IP: Logged |
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msg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273) |
posted June 24, 2000 02:46 PM
jeff and truth: i thought jeff meant they converted to dht which they do not. now, saying a steroid is a DERIVATIVE of DHT is just stating what parent compound was used to synthesize it and has nothing to do with how the different compound that is made acts in the body. it is true that a derivative will generally differ from the parent compound in its properties and that Primobolan and Winstrol could be called a testosterone derivatives, but they could also be called androstenedione derivatives, DHEA derivatives, etc. In fact Primobolan and Winstrol act differently from DHT because they are not converted to androstanediol. i agree that there may not be much inhibition, but it can not hurt to hit the clomid. just my thoughts. peace IP: Logged |
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goleafs Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 340) |
posted June 24, 2000 02:50 PM
did it before (i dint even know what clomid was until i started hanging around here) no gyno , no nuthin. kept my gains. as stated before its all what you do after your cycle. dont think that just because you used some gear your gains are permanent. look at hogan. IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 281) |
posted June 24, 2000 04:26 PM
I went to Bill Roberts site and found this on Primobolan: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/exclusive/roberts/vol03/000124.htm DHT derivatives I have read numerous articles which stated that Primobolan Depot and Winstrol were derivatives of DHT and are particularly bad for hair loss. Is this true? Are they derived from DHT? In medicinal chemistry, one starts with a "lead compound" that has some activity you are interested in: for example, it acts as an androgen. Compounds which you make from that compound, but which now are different because of what you have done to it, are called derivatives of that compound. A derivative will generally differ from the parent compound in its properties. In other words, what I am saying is that whether a steroid is a "derivative" of DHT is purely a question of historical interest: it has nothing to do with how the compound acts in the body. Incidentally, Primobolan and Winstrol could also be called a testosterone derivatives, or androstenedione derivatives, or DHEA derivatives even. So you can see the whole thing is a moot point and anyone who bases arguments on it is just playing tricks with words. In fact Primobolan and Winstrol act differently from DHT in that, unlike DHT, they are not converted to androstanediol. They are comparable in effect on the hair to anabolically-equivalent doses of any other synthetic except nandrolone. Would 200mg of Primobolan Depot be harsher on scalp hair than 200mg of testosterone enanthate? Nope. Easier. So if I see this correctly, you could say it is not a DHT roid, but in your body it acts as a DHT roid. Am I right MSG ? Jeff ------------------ IP: Logged |
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