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Androl
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posted June 22, 2000 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Androl   Click Here to Email Androl     Edit/Delete Message
Whats the major difference between Clomid and Novaldex ? I know they're both anti-estrogen but their must be other use for both. And what's the daily dosage for Novaldex when on a cycle ?

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conan69
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posted June 22, 2000 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for conan69   Click Here to Email conan69     Edit/Delete Message
if you do a search for Anti estrogen report you will get a length copy and paste of a good report on the subject from anabolic.com

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Puffy
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posted June 22, 2000 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Puffy   Click Here to Email Puffy     Edit/Delete Message
I had the same question not to long ago, clomid really isn't an anti-estrogen it can be used during a cycle to keep your body's natural testostrone up or you can use it during the last two weeks of your cycle to give your body's test. a jump start (great for clean-ups). Novaldex is great during a cycle and after as it has the same affects on your body's test. just remember with Novaldex less is more stick to a tab a day.

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300 kleen
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posted June 22, 2000 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 300 kleen   Click Here to Email 300 kleen     Edit/Delete Message
Clomid is used to raise your natural test. at the end of a cycle.
Nolvadex is used to combat gyno.
If gyno symptoms arise, use 20mg for 5 days then keep a maintenance dose of 10mg for the rest of your cycle.

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greenhouse
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posted June 22, 2000 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for greenhouse   Click Here to Email greenhouse     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 43682495
This is taken from bodybuilder.org a really nice site.

Clomid

Clomid is a brand name for the drug clomiphene citrate. It is typically prescribed for women to aid in ovulation. In men, the application of Clomid causes an elevation of follicle stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone. As a result, natural testosterone production is also increased. This effect is obviously beneficial to the athlete, especially at the conclusion of a cycle when endogenous testosterone levels are subnormal. When an athlete discontinues the use of steroids, his testosterone levels will most likely be suppressed. If endogenous testosterone levels are not brought to normal, a dramatic loss in size and strength may occur. Clomid plays a crucial role in preventing this crash in athletic performance. Bodybuilders find that a daily intake of 50-100 mg of clomiphene citrate over a two week period will bring endogenous testosterone production back to an acceptable level.Clomid will gradually raise testosterone levels over its period of intake. Since an immediate boost in testosterone is often desirable, athlete will commonly use HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) for a couple of weeks, and the continue treatment with Clomid. Clomid is also effective as an anti-estrogen. Most athletes will suffer from an elevated estrogen level at the conclusion of a cycle. A high estrogen level combined with a low testosterone level puts an athlete in serious risk of developing gynocomastia. With the intake of Clomid, the athlete gets the dual effect of blocking out some of the effects of estrogen, while also increasing endogenous testosterone production. In relation to toxicity and side effects, Clomid is considered a fairly safe drug. Bodybuilders seldom experience any problems, but possible side effects include hot flashes and temporary blurred vision. Clomiphene citrate is widely available on the black market. Until recently, it was relatively easy to get through foreign mail order. However, since the DEA is playing an active role in pursuing mail-order operations catering to athletes, Clomid is becoming harder to obtain. Current prices are between $2-$4 per 50 mg tab. Generics such as Clomiphene citrate by Anfarm in Greece are frequently seen on the black market and can be purchased for about $1 a tab.

Nolvadex

Nolvadex is a brand name for the drug tamoxifen citrate, a nonsteroidal agent which demonstrates potent antiestrogenic properties. These antiestrogenic effects are due to its ability to compete with estrogen for binding sites in target tissues such as in the breast. Medically, the effects of this drug make it very useful in breast cancer patients. Male bodybuilders however, find this drug very effective in combating gynocomastia (female breast tissue development). Gynocomastia is caused by excess estrogen in the male body. In the steroid user, this happens when anabolic steroids "aromatize" into estrogens. This is not as odd as you may think, structurally these hormones are very similar. So with Nolvadex competing for and occupying estrogen receptors, the buildup of tissue is greatly reduced and often avoided. It should be noted that Nolvadex also seems to slightly reduce to gains made during a steroid cycle. Some believe estrogen plays a role in keeping androgen receptors open. This may explain why Nolvadex would slightly hinder gains. Regardless of this effect Nolvadex is the most popular anti-estrogen used by athletes and many people swear by it. One should remember though that many athletes find no need for Nolvadex while others absolutely need it to avoid a gyno problem. One should be aware of how much they actually need an ancillary drug like this before committing to use it during a cycle. Should it be needed, Nolvadex is quite popular on the black market.

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Androl
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posted June 22, 2000 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Androl   Click Here to Email Androl     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Bros !

Kleen, then for my first cycle it would be better for me to get some novaldex, just in case. If i take clomid EOD during my cycle will it help to prevent gyno ?

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300 kleen
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posted June 22, 2000 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 300 kleen   Click Here to Email 300 kleen     Edit/Delete Message
If you use clomid throughout your cycle it will help to a certain extent, but it is by no means a replacement for Nolvadex (or proviron, or arimidex). You should always have some on hand.

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