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MONSTROSITY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted June 21, 2000 09:12 PM
   This is the flip side to the coin where, a gentlemen was saying "Why do all fat people call themselves powerlifters?" I am a powerlifter/strongman and have an extensive atletic background. I work with many athletes, at all different levels. I have friends that bodybuild, I support them like I would any friend, even though I will never bodybuild. There are many atletes with excellent stregth and low bodyfat, so it is attainable...........but you can bet anyone who wants to reach their athletic potential will seldom use machines. The "powerlifts" and other free weight exercises will always reign supreme. Machine can actually cause injuries in the long run. If you don't beleive me just try it. You neglect the stabilizers and you are asking for an injury. I have realized that these guys that call themselves "bodybuilders" usually can be found using the smith machine. I guess it's there way of trying to compete with the athletes who actually squat using free weights. I have seen several of these people rep out with 405 on the smith, but not be able to stand up with 225 on free weight back squat. I accept anyone's goals, we are all individuals and will have individual goals. But hopefully I have shed some light on a topic I find unfounded........"Why do all fat guys call themselves powerlifters?" For every fat ass with no work ethic that calls himself a powerlifter, there's a tiny little man in tank top with baggy pants and fanny pack that calls himself a bodybuilder!!!!! IP: Logged |
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glenbenton Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 441) |
posted June 21, 2000 09:16 PM
the day i bench press 300 pounds is the day i can call myself a bodybuilder. and thats a hellofa long way off IP: Logged |
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Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 803) |
posted June 21, 2000 09:18 PM
yea i know what you guys are saying..all these 150lb skinny guys wearing those tight shirts and they say they are working out and shit...my forearms are bigger than their bicepts. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 98) |
posted June 21, 2000 09:35 PM
We also have to realize that this stereotype doesn't apply to everyone, nore does the powerlifter sterotype apply to all powerlifters. I consider myself a bodybuilder, and I don't go to the gym just for an image. I don't wear tight shirts and baggy pants w/ a fanny pack, and I don't weight 150lbs. I also don't use the smith machine for squats. The only machines I use are leg extensions which I do those at the end of my leg workout until failure, it really defines your legs nicely, and I use the shoulder press machine for burnouts at the end of my shoulder routine. Other then that its all free weights. I say, to each his own.. do your own thing, if it works for you, great!!!!!!! I have plenty of 150lbs body builders in my gym that wear tight shirts and work their chest out 3 days a week.. they are usually the weakest motherfuckers in the gym. But hey, whatever floats your boat. Just do what works for you and GET BIG, who cares what everybody else does. As long as you know you have a complete workout and you're growing and doing whats best for you, just laugh at the little pussies.. cuz as I have found out, they usually don't last but a couple months. IP: Logged |
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MONSTROSITY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted June 21, 2000 09:37 PM
Well said, sterotypes get old.......real fast. IP: Logged |
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MONSTROSITY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted June 21, 2000 09:40 PM
1 Quick question. What do those "MONSTERS" pack in those fannypacks. What ever it is it most allow them to workout, because most of them never take off the fannypack!! I guess tey are dependent upon the secret contents of the fannypack. IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 98) |
posted June 21, 2000 09:42 PM
Ohh yea.. and another thing i forgot to add. I have the utmost respect for a powerlifter that comes to my local gym. I've mentioned him before. He was in the worlds strongest man. Sure, this guy isn't ripped to shreds.. But he's strong as an ox. I believe in the post about fat powerlifters.. the person was referring to those people who are very overweight and so to have an excuse to get in shape they just throw a bunch of weight on every excercise and call themselves powerlifters. That way theirs no need for disciplined diet. But hey, I have all the respect in the world for "real" powerlifters. IP: Logged |
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Pandoras Aggression Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted June 21, 2000 09:47 PM
I don't know what they carry in those fanny packs.....but I think they all drive really big trucks too.....LOL...... Pandora IP: Logged |
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D007 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 350) |
posted June 21, 2000 09:51 PM
I always wondered about the phannypack phenomena myself, my guess is that they use test at 1 gram eoh-every other hour IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 98) |
posted June 21, 2000 10:19 PM
Theres a guy that works out at my gym who always wears a fannypack. This guy looks big from a distance but when you get up close, he has some big ol love handles and a nice gut on him. His arms look pretty big but if you feel em they're pretty flabby. Whats funny is, he has to weight well over 200lbs, last time i saw him bench he was struggling w/ 185. Strange thing is, he's been coming to the gym for well over a year. He must have some chronic no-growth disease. IP: Logged |
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XCYTER Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted June 21, 2000 10:23 PM
Cool Im 6'2" and 245 ...I bench 290 and squat 505 does that mean I can call myself a bodybuilder? Great, Ill start right away......  cheersIP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 98) |
posted June 21, 2000 10:25 PM
Yer big dude. I'm 6'1 and I only weigh 190lbs. I can bench 275lbs though. I've only been working out hard for about a year tho. IP: Logged |
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oversized Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 175) |
posted June 21, 2000 11:15 PM
Monstrosity thank you. I fully agree with you. i want to say that the way you described your retaliation to the post about fatass's calling themselves powerlifters was much more respectable. It didn't bash bodybuilders but it just said "hey for everything that you don't like about powerlifters, there is something that a powerlifter may not like about bodybuilding" The last thing i want to see is bad blood form from these two contraversial post. lets just all remember we are all in some form of weight lifting for our own reasons. no one form of weight lifting being better than the next. Some guys find happiness i just being big and strong knowing they force fear and intimidation in the hearts of other men. While others get their rocks off being ripped and attaining the body of every womans desire. Being different is what makes the entire world of lifting weights enjoyable. Because it give people options as to what they want to achieve. so with that in mind i will get off my soap box and say hey life is great, i love juice, and lift hard. IP: Logged |
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MONSTROSITY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted June 21, 2000 11:40 PM
Oversized, I agree fully. I feel there should be a mutual respect shared among elite athletes. I hate marathons, but I must respect the people that run them. We can all learn from one another and that is why this forum exists. IP: Logged |
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THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 789) |
posted June 21, 2000 11:55 PM
True bodybuilders are powerlifters that keep their bodyfat lower. As Monstrosity said you have to lift heavy freeweight movements to develope the mass and support muscles. A true powerlifter could diet down and become a bodybuilder, but a skinny so called bodybuilder couldn't add some weight and be called a powerlifter. You have to lift the heavy iron. IP: Logged |
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GROTESQUEONE Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted June 22, 2000 03:51 AM
IF YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE YOU ARE A BODYBUILDER YOU ARE NOT ONE! EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL, UNDER 18 INCH ARMS FORGET ABOUT IT, CANT GET REPS AT 315 UP THE DOSE! JUST THE TRUTH. IP: Logged |
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LivLarge Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 512) |
posted June 22, 2000 03:56 AM
I agree about the mutual respect between the elite athletes. its just the wannabees that are the nuisance. IP: Logged |
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charlie Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 198) |
posted June 22, 2000 04:07 AM
Define Bodybuilder! Someone that works hard in the gym to improve their physique! A Powerlifter is just that, A Bodybuilder is also just that! surely it doesnt matter if your a small or big bodybuilder! You cant say to someone who has worked hard for years but hasnt got 18 inch arms that he is not a bodybuilder! RUBBISH! TOTAL RUBBISH! Look at FRANK ZANE who in the 70s won the mr universe title with 17 inch arms, so he wasnt a bodybuilder eh! ANYONE THAT WORKS HARD IN THE GYM TO BUILD THEIR BODY IS A BODYBUILDER!. and that means building the whole of your body not just your bicep! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MONSTROSITY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted June 22, 2000 08:22 AM
Frank Zane was truly awesome, incredible symetry. IP: Logged |
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Pup'nIrn Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 120) |
posted June 22, 2000 08:58 AM
Lets get this straight right here and now. Anyone with a brain can realize that there are two sides to every coin. Yes, there are skinny, weak and sorry versions of "wannabe bodybuilders" who use machines and wear the clothes to fit an image but this is because bodybuilding is a broader grouping than powerlifters. Everyone who lifts, who is not trying to compete in some form of powerlifting meet, is a bodybuilder of sorts. Even if they say "I just want to be fit" they are using weights to change something unpleasant about themselves through applied lifting techniques. This lifting causes change and can defined as a form of bodybuilding. You can percieve those people as weak and useless in the gym if you chose to. This is why you have a so-so argument monster. I am very glad you fit the other side of the coin in that you probably are quite strong and not extremely fat but you are the exception in the general public. Todays society is primarily obese sedentary people and this is what gyms draw from. Considering this fact, you see large numbers of fat, lazy, "think I am something cause I have lifted for two days straight" know it all peoople calling themselves powerlifters to easily fit themselves into a grouping for comfort. Its much easier for them to stay fat and boast of the numbers they can lift to small people who don't know any better but I do. Half of these so-called powerlifters can't do a fucking dip, don't squat(requires too much disipline), and can't even bench there own bodyweight. So take this as you may. Its is the easy way out for a fat lazy fuck to be a so-called powerlifter because its physical apperance requirements are less. Also, I like most "true" bodybuilding freaks I do not use cables or machines as a mainstay in my routines. I do power movements right up to competition unless my joints start hurting too much because of the extremely low bodyfat. This was not to flame you just to inform you. IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 259) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:08 AM
Being a bodybuilder is like the word says, and just that. It's not because you can squat 300 or 400 pounds that you are one. Weight by itself has nothing to do with it. If you think different then women are no bodybuilders, right ? Let's not talk about exceptions. The amount of weight we can lift is very limited, unless we take, take and take a lot of roids. How many guys would still be bodybuilders if roids where never invented ?????? Has for powerlifters, well as we all know they have usually a lot of fat, thanks to that they are able to lift more. They also don't care about their fat %. This is just my personal opinion, nothing more. Jeff ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Grip Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 116) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:21 AM
This World and multi-National powerlifting champion is 215lbs with 7% bodyfat. IP: Logged |
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Yoda Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 233) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:45 AM
I think that there's actually 3 sides to this coin!!!! Body Builder, Powerlifter, and (For lack of better word) Power BodyBuilders!! You know the guys I'm talking about, guys like DORIAN YATES!!! Guys who look fantasic and are strong as an ox. I dont think that calling yourself a body builder should give you the excuse for not pushing your weights up anymore than calling yourself a powerlifter gives you the right to let your body go to hell. Look at Grip, perfect example of what can be accomplished, a perfect blend of both worlds. I strive exactly for that. After years of powerlifting at the local and regional level, I've now switched my goals to bodybuilding, but my weights are up there with anyone I know in my weight range. No I'm not going to win any powerlifting contests anymore, thats not my goal, but I think I could enter without embarrassing myself. I'm not flaming anyone so dont take it that way, just giving my opinion on things!!! IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 98) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:45 AM
I waaaay disagree w/ the statement that you have to have 18" arms to be a bodybuilder. How fucking ignorant is that?? I'm in damn good shape and bust my ass in the gym.. I don't have 18" arms. But that doesn't give u the right to take my "bodybuilder" status away. IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 259) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:56 AM
The world champion has only 7 % bodyfat. This can be true, but it is more an execption than a rule. Jeff ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Thick dog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 701) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:57 AM
I agree with Yoda. My goal is to be ripped to shreds and be strong as hell. I'd like to add a little size also. Right now I am pretty ripped and pound for pound probably the strongest person in my gym. But I don't have the size. There are at least 20 guys in their that would be considered "bigger" than me. IP: Logged |
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Fish Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 398) |
posted June 22, 2000 10:05 AM
"What do those "MONSTERS" pack in those fannypacks" I belive CD player, extra cds, wristwraps. I am a "bodybuilder", my body is not done being built. When it is and I say "Now I am fucking perfect," then you can judge me and tell me if I am good/strong enough. Till then I am in training like all the rest of you. If I am smaller or weaker than you, it is most likely cause I have not train as long, not because I am not a bodybuilder. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Marauder Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 502) |
posted June 22, 2000 10:08 AM
In all fairness, bro, I agree with you monstrosity....WTF is in those fanny packs? ha ha ------------------ IP: Logged |
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DREXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 151) |
posted June 22, 2000 05:28 PM
What is in those fanny packs? I'll tell ya! I put my walkman in there, maybe an extra tape, a plaster so when I do deads and the blood is pissing everywhere I can keep on training without being kicked out of the gym. Also it is convenient for keeping money so you can buy a protein shake or a carb after/during training. One more thing you can stash you insulin needle all ready with the correct dose in there and 15-20min before you finish training you just casually go to the rest room and hit it. IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted June 22, 2000 06:26 PM
Glen, "the day you bench 300lbs is the day you call yourself a bodybuilder"? Explain that logic, please. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted June 22, 2000 06:39 PM
The criteria is quite simple. One is not a powerlifter because he or she is strong. One is not a bodybuilder because he or she claims to be one. These terms apply to a select portion of our gym going society. These people live, eat, and sleep these roles 24 hours a day. Focus dedication and training for a specific quantifiable goal is what makes a Powerlifter or a bodybuilder. Im sorry to say this: just because you take Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids doesnt make you a Bodybuilder. Because your 300lbs and bench 425 doesnt make you a powerlifter. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MP5 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 201) |
posted June 22, 2000 07:52 PM
I always thought a powerlifter was concerned with weight, and body builders were going for a certain look. I would rather look stacked and be slightly weaker than look like shit and be strong, to each his own. I also don't agree that machines suck, Hammer Strength kicks ass, and it really isolates the intended muscle. I feel you have to use both for a complete build. I have noticed the skinny ass guys strutting around, but there are just as many fat fucks strutting after repping 275 5 times when they weigh 270. IP: Logged |
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MONSTROSITY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted June 22, 2000 08:13 PM
Again, I am not trying to disrespect anyone. But I am amazed at the lack of knowledge people have when talking about powerlifting. These people have obviously never been to a national level contest. There is a ripped dude for every heavyweight. Here's the weight classes: 114 132 148 165 181 198 220 242 275 308 SHW You should see the muscle definition in some off the guys in the 198's 220's and 242's. I believe certain people are jealous and look to discredit someone who has worked their ass off. I feel that many some bodybuilders feel inferior around powerlifters that lift much heavier weights. I also feel that some over weight powerlifters feel inferior around a ripped bodybuilder who has both size and symetry. Please not I said "some", this definitely doesn't apply to everyone, but it is an important point. On my last note I will add that most NFL strength coaches have an powerlifting background of some sort. I also know of and personally have friends that powerlift in the football offseason. I also find it interesting that football players are tested in the "powerlifts", at least the SQ and BP. I know of plenty of ripped football players that powerlift, but I'm sure the tiny guys who hate powerlifting b/c they can't lift their tow will try to discredit them. It's too bad b/c they don't give a fuck, would you if you were pulling down 2 Million dollars/year??????????? IP: Logged |
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Eramthgin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 276) |
posted June 22, 2000 08:18 PM
delusions of grandure I guess. ------------------ If you enjoy it today you can always do it again tomorrow. IP: Logged |
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MONSTROSITY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted June 22, 2000 08:20 PM
One other note. It just happens to be a coincidence that the state with the best and biggest high school powerlifting federation(25,000 powerlifters) also pumps out the most pro football players in the United States. This is simply a fact, strength and performance go hand and hand. These same athelets also play football so they usally are fairly lean, but that is entirely dependent upon the posistion they play. IP: Logged |
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Pup'nIrn Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 120) |
posted June 22, 2000 08:34 PM
Yawn......Monster, you still keep making points about high level powerlifters at meets. Sure there are ripped ones for every fat one but that is at a higher level than the people this topic was started about. I believe in the other discussion it was about "fat ass people calling themselves powerlifters in the gym" not in a competition. Competitive level athletes are usually the cream of the crop in any type sport. If you don't compete your just in the damn audience. I have seen many of the amazing mass monsters and ripped fellows in powerlifting meets and have been very impressed but .......THAT AIN'T WHO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT!!!! I can tell you I love heavy lifting with the best of them. I will be on a power routine this off season again but that still doesn't take the disgust of fat, lazy people out of my mind and my gym. So I guess we will just have to agree to disagree....but damn I enjoy the fuss'n!! HE heeee!!!! IP: Logged |
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MONSTROSITY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted June 22, 2000 08:51 PM
I just did a "MONSTER" injection aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh.................. I feel better now. Can't we all be friends, and grow together. IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 98) |
posted June 22, 2000 09:54 PM
Could someone tell me.. what exactly does it take to be considered a powerlifter? You just go as heavy as possible on every excercise, and do mainly bulking excercises? Don't flame me, i'm being serious. IP: Logged |
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MONSTROSITY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 250) |
posted June 22, 2000 11:34 PM
A powerlifter is a competitive athlete that tests his strength in competiton via Squat Bench Press & Deadlift for total. The goal is to lift as much weight as possible, weighing as little as possible. So excess bodyfat isn't really wanted unless your a super heavy weight. IP: Logged |
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100acrewoods Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 192) |
posted June 23, 2000 02:22 AM
and as I understand (correct me if I am wrong), you are judged on the total of your lifts based on your weight class. If this is the case, then why does it seem like the "smaller" guys are stronger? I know one guy in the 181 weight class can bench in the 4's and squat 5's and deadlift 6 something. His combined total was more than the guys in the 198 or 212. Only when you got up over 225 did the weights get heavier. But pound for pound, the "little guys" blew away the big guys. Also, can someone tell me what is light and what is heavy on a bench press? That has no meaning other than if you can't push the weight off your chest, then it is f*$#ing heavy. Guys like Ed Coan and Goggins can do 1000 squats. To me that is heavy. My 405 squats would then be light when compared to their squats. I think too many people get caught up in the numbers. To me, those that are obsessed with a number are of the same mindset as those who ask me how much I bench when they see me. IP: Logged |
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