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 first cycle comments please
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 21, 2000 07:37 PM
  
week sust dbol EQ 1 750mg 6/day 300mg 2 750mg 6/day 300mg 3 750mg 6/day 300mg 4 750mg 6/day 300mg 5 500mg 6/day 300mg 6 500mg ----- 300mg 7 500mg ----- 300mg 8 500mg ----- 300mg 9 --------------------- 10 Clomid 100mg ED 11 Clomid 50mg ED 12 Clomid 50mg ED
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 21, 2000 08:02 PM
BIGETY bigety BUDAMP IP: Logged |
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ryry Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 397) |
posted June 21, 2000 08:06 PM
i'm on a similar cycle as you right now, 500mg sust and 400mg eq for six weeks, then pour on the winny for 6 weeks. your dosage should be good unless you've done a shit load of cycles already. sounds like you have everything planned out pretty well already. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 21, 2000 08:07 PM
i dont know i like it but i want to add more sust like more weeks of 750mg but not sure if it worth it?? IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 21, 2000 08:09 PM
would it be better to take the sust shots liek sunday, wednesday , saturday or just all 3cc's on sunday thanks brothers IP: Logged |
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LivLarge Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 519) |
posted June 21, 2000 08:13 PM
Personally i think that the sus looks good the way you have it, but i would start the eq week 6 and bump it up to 400 and go maybe to week 10 with it.Just my opinion though. IP: Logged |
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JuiceBoy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 231) |
posted June 21, 2000 08:16 PM
I agree with livlarge on the eq part but personally aslong as this is your second cycle or more, then I'd try to get some a couple more sust amps and bump the rest of it up to 750 aswell, but all in all u should make really nice gains either way, good luck IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 21, 2000 08:17 PM
thanks bro i keep that in mind sounds like a good idea any other suggestions?? IP: Logged |
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DREXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 151) |
posted June 21, 2000 08:28 PM
I prefer to take only once a week shots because it's more convenient and it works. Some people like to take more advantage of the prop in sust by injecting every 3 days. Prop lasts like 5 days and has a short half life this is why some prefer to do it 2 times a week. I feel that once is enough since after 5 days you have the phenyl-prop and the isocaproate kicking in and then when that leaves the decanoate is their... God I love sust it is the best. It is self tapering and I love one shot a week IP: Logged |
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superdave Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 254) |
posted June 21, 2000 09:04 PM
Thats your first cycle??? Am I the only one who thinks this is overkill for a first cycle?? Shit, Im on my first cycle now and its ONLY test cyp for 10 weeks! I think you should crawl before you walk bro. IP: Logged |
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AY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 215) |
posted June 21, 2000 09:10 PM
I agree with superdave. It seems like a lot for a first cycle. Why not bump down sus to 500mg / week and dbol from 25 mg and taper to 15 mg? Save your eq and do it somewhere mid-cycle to 2 weeks post-cycle to firm up your gains. If you're going to do that much for the first cycle, you have to use more on the second for the same effect. AY IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 21, 2000 10:24 PM
actually i wanted to get huge and i was just reading some posts and saw captian insane-o cycle i like but i like Eq for Deca since they are basically the same from whta i read any ohter suggestions on the EQ like what week should i start and what dosages if i dont do it 8 weeks cauuse i thought if i go past teh clomid will i need more clomid to taper teh EQ? IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 21, 2000 11:30 PM
bigety bigety budamp IP: Logged |
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waltzman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted June 21, 2000 11:58 PM
leave it the way it is go for it how old are you? under 21-lower the dosage!!! IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 22, 2000 12:37 AM
im 22 brooooooo IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 2973) |
posted June 22, 2000 12:48 AM
I personally believe it is too much for a first cycle. You will grow (of course) but you will need to keep using high dosages to get good gains from now on. I would change it like this: code: ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 22, 2000 12:49 AM
that seems good but i want to go nuts i want to be insane for some darn reason IP: Logged |
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DocJ Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 40) |
posted June 22, 2000 12:52 AM
I feel that I get better results when I break up the dosage but it might just be in my head. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 22, 2000 12:54 AM
even if i do one cycle a yera i will still have to use more? IP: Logged |
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JuiceBoy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 231) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:00 AM
if this is your first cycle I'm totally with 2thick, u'd make good gains off just 1 250mg shot a week of sust, the cycle he put up will make u blow up, and if u start if with these high doses then u'll have to go so much higher the next time cuz u're receptors will need more as, seriously do his cycle, u'll get huge, I promise. 30lbs or more isnt' unreasonable for this cycle IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:10 AM
im heraing you but with the the orignal i mite gain 40LBS with the right diet and proper sleeping (melatonin) IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 677) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:15 AM
For a first cycle I would go with sust at 500mg/week throughout the cycle, and bump your eq to 400mg/week. I have my training partner on that cycle (it's his first) and he's up 24 pounds so far. IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:17 AM
SSman what week is he in can you give me more detials? IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 2973) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:37 AM
You might gain 30-40 pounds with that cycle, but what you will keep after the cycle is another story. Remember that the faster you gain the weight, the faster you will lose it.
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 677) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:39 AM
He's on week 8 and would have realized much better benefits but his diet was piss poor for the first 5 weeks, he got no more than 5 hours of sleep per night, and he drank alcohol on the weekends. It took me 5 weeks to kick his ass into shape, but now he's dedicated and making steady gains. It's a great first cycle if you eat, rest, and train properly. IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:39 AM
yeah i need them fast bro thanks for you concern if i have any problems or pains i will lower teh dosage IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:40 AM
ssman you modivated me bro to do this cycle i am gonna be so displined 10-12 hours a sleep and a really clean diet broooo i love you man!!! IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 677) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:43 AM
It's possible to retain 80% of your gains from your cycle if you do everything correctly. Follow a strict diet, train with intensity, get plenty of rest, take clomid eod during the cycle and 100mg/day for 2 weeks the 2nd week after your last sust shot.....then 50mg/day for another week. I don't believe it's the quick gains that are lost quickly....I believe it's those who don't follow a well thought out plan during their cycle. IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:48 AM
i love you SSMAN you should be a god damn personal trianer you get me soo pumped i agree with you 100% nohting is impossoible if you put your mind to it brooo!!! IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 2973) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:55 AM
Speaking biologically, your body will be more likely to keep gains that are gradual rather than gains that come very quickly. It is a matter of your body accepting the extra muscle or not. ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:58 AM
2thick you are a cool guy but you make me feel like im a pussy like i have no hope of keeping gains i think i can do it "time to pick up my skirt and grab some balls" LOCK N LOAD!!! WWAAAAHHOOOOOOOO IP: Logged |
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2Thick Moderator (Total posts: 2973) |
posted June 22, 2000 02:05 AM
I only give advice. You should do whatever you think is in your best interest. Good luck with your cycle. ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 22, 2000 12:27 PM
Thanks bro i keep the board updated as soon as i start IP: Logged |
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Badatta2d Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 39) |
posted June 22, 2000 12:32 PM
Wow you ask for replies and then kinda flame 2thick for his opinion. This is the first time I ever heard a mod say thats too much gear. I think that in itself, is enough to make you take a second look. Anyway good luck with whatever you decide IP: Logged |
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HeavyLifterX Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted June 22, 2000 01:09 PM
Loading with that much sus is going to make you so soar you can't walk around. Better think bro, it won't do you any good if you are so soar you can't train. On your first cycle, your body has a lot of changing to do. IP: Logged |
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Demon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2) |
posted June 22, 2000 03:41 PM
It sounds like you have your mind made up but let me tell you this. I'm in the 6th week of my first cycle and I've put on 15 lbs and my strength increases dramaticly every week. The kicker is I'm only shooting 1 cc. of T200 a week. My diet, training, and sleep are all well thought out and I'm very strict about them. I'm just saying that you can put on some quality size with much less. IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32) |
posted June 22, 2000 10:23 PM
Bud, if this is your first cycle than you have no idea how your body will react to the increase in test within your body, much less the increase in estrogen from the shit aromatizing. Start the Nolvadex ASAP or be sorry later.
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 677) |
posted June 22, 2000 10:31 PM
The amount of mis-information given out by newbies on this board is staggering. Heavylifer.....where do you come up with sust making your body so sore that you can't work out? Have you ever used sust? If so, what did you inject with....a garden hose? That statement is not true. Jersey......what make you think Nolvadex is required from the start of this cycle? Nolvadex is only used if symptoms of gyno are present. I'm on twice the dose suster is thinking about using and I haven't even casually glanced in the direction of my Nolvadex. 2Thick is a vast database of knowledge. He just tends to err on the side of caution and is very conservative. That's not a bad thing....we all have our theories, and I have a tremendous respect for 2Thick. However, I still stand behind my suggested cycle without hesitation.......it works! IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32) |
posted June 22, 2000 10:42 PM
SSMan, I wish someone would have opened their mouth when I started taking the shit almost 17 years ago. I probably wouldn't have the little bit of gyno I have now. We are so quick to jump on the gear without taking the whole picture into consideration. I have seen your postings and believe me with knowing and seeing many body builders, two of which were pro, I can safely d=say that what you are experiencing is far from ordinary as far as gains and progress are concerned. I think you may be letting this cloud what would otherwise be good judgement.
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Kaisersosay Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 181) |
posted June 22, 2000 10:42 PM
WHEN I WAS 20(I'M 25 NOW)I DID 1 CC SUS250 A WEEK FOR LIKE 10-12 WEEKS.I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT AS EXCEPT I COULD GROW.I DON'T REMEMBER MY DIET OR SLEEP,BUT I GAINED 28 LBS.NOT SURE OF B/F BUT EVERYONES DIFFERENT.2THICK KNOWS HIS SHIT THOUGH,DON'T HAVE TO TAKE HIS ADVISE BUT I RECOMEND IT. IP: Logged |
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jersey boy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32) |
posted June 22, 2000 10:44 PM
One more thing- If he is a rookie, then how the hell is he (or anyone for that matter) going to know what the signs are? Why wait-don't hesitate, when your girlfriend sees your titties she might break the date.
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 23, 2000 01:11 AM
im apreciate all your guys opinions but i realy like ssmans tahnks alllll i keep you updated on all positive adn negatives of the cycle alrihgt bros?? IP: Logged |
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Lqdmscle Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 88) |
posted June 23, 2000 01:44 AM
Go with that heavy cycle. Train real heavy with the weights too. Let me know what happens when you finish your cycle.
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 677) |
posted June 23, 2000 02:03 AM
Jersey......I am aware that my gains are far from being what is typically realized from any given cycle of AS. I am fortunate enough to be blessed with incredible genetics and of enough intellect to become educated in what I'm doing prior to putting anything into my body. I'm not allowing anything to cloud my judgement. My training partner is on the same cycle I've suggested for suster....and this is his first cycle as well. He hasn't experienced any harsh sides.....no signs of gyno.....and he's making good gains. The same holds true for so many others that I've suggested that same cycle to. So either I have some magnetic personality trait that only allows me to come in contact with the genetically gifted.....or this must really work. It doesn't take a nuclear engineer to recognize the signs of gyno. If you're sprouting tits or feel tingling, itching, or soreness from the nipple.......it's time for Nolvadex. Anyone who has never had gyno will be a newbie to signs......so no amount of AS experience will afford that unless things go wrong. Let's also keep in mind the anti estrogenic properties of Clomid....which I've suggested 50mg eod throughout the cycle. [This message has been edited by SSMAN (edited June 23, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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HeavyLifterX Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted June 23, 2000 09:20 AM
I respect SSMAN's opinion, and yes I have done sus, as a matter of fact, sus was in my first cycle. It will make the area of injection sore. If you are not very careful, and most newbies are not, you will make a large portion of the surrounding area of the injection sore. With 750mg of sus, a large portion of that being prop. he is going to get sore. The amount of T in the body is going to change it's chemistry dramatically, it is not any of our decisions to make, it effects everyone differently. Just posting my thoughts on the whole matter. The worst thing I have found about this board is that everyone thinks you are a newbie if you don't have many posts. Many very experienced builders come here, they start at number one, remember that SUSMAN. IP: Logged |
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lil'tex Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 69) |
posted June 23, 2000 09:39 AM
suster has already made up his mind. if he doesn't want to follow 2thicks advice, that is his business. but suster, you need to realize that 2thick is a mod for a reason. he knows what he is talking about. if you plan on seeing gains on your 2nd cycle you will need to be prepared to shell out alot of cash. you will probably need a gram of test a week for your next cycle. IP: Logged |
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suster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted June 23, 2000 10:53 AM
NO PAIN NO GAIN im doing SSMANS cycle i think its worth it if im gonna put these chemicals in my body im going all out FUCK THE BULLSHIT yeahhhhhhhh bros keep you updated IP: Logged |
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