posted June 20, 2000 05:23 PM         

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Hey bros and broettes, I went to see my doctor and he is sending me to a specialist to have a biopsy(sp?) for my gyno. He stated that they will make an incision to get the tissue to test and see if it is malignant. My question is if it isnt malignant will they still remove the gyno? I have told my doctor that the pain is almost unbearable so that I can get it removed. He said that when they go in to get the tissue they will remove all of the lump, but is that actually removing all the receptor sites as well as the tissue? Thanks for your intelligent answers in advance!!!!

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posted June 20, 2000 05:57 PM         

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posted June 20, 2000 06:02 PM            

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Are you saying that all of your receptors are in your nipples?? I thought your receptors were found throughout muscle tissue. People (bodybuilders) have had gyno removed before so I don't think you really need to worry about receptors.

FYI: I don't know a hell of alot about receptors, so get more advice before you take my advice.

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posted June 20, 2000 08:18 PM         

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No, what I was talking about was the receptors that estrogen binds to. I was wondering will they be removed also?

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posted June 20, 2000 08:19 PM         

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Any other answers are welcome

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posted June 20, 2000 08:20 PM            

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Only the receptors that are in the tissue that is removed. I dont think youre fully understanding what "receptors" are...
But Ive heard that post gyno surgery, people have a lot less problems with it...

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posted June 20, 2000 08:59 PM         

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okay, isnt gyno caused by a build up of estrogen and binding to estrogen receptor sites? Then if that is the case when the gyno is removed will those sites that estrogen bind to also be removed?

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posted June 20, 2000 10:08 PM            

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Wow, this is a good one. Bump.

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posted June 20, 2000 10:10 PM            

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posted June 20, 2000 11:30 PM            

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Typically during a biopsy, they will remove a portion of the "lump" to test for malignancy. If they suspect that it might be cancer,the surgeon might request a lumpectomy where they will remove the mass and test it further. The surgeon will mark the "edges" of the lump after he removes it and will have a lab test the specimen and see how far the cancerous type cells extend. If they extend throughout all these margins, then they can diagnose it as a malignant cell carcinoma of some type. However, I would dounbt that they would totally remove all the tissue involved in your gyno. If they were going to do that, they would advise you to sign a surgical consent for an "excision of a lipoma" or a "lumpectomy" or something worded very similar to that. For a biopsy, they simply want a specimen.

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posted June 21, 2000 11:00 AM         

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Gotcha........Can any of the Mods or Vets answer the questions about the binding process of estrogen?

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posted June 21, 2000 11:27 AM            

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2 things:

Firstly, have you told your Doc that the gyno is most probably from steroid use? The only reason for a biopsy is to test whether the tissue contains cancer cells or not. Seeing as the inflamation caused by Gyno from aromatisation of androgens should never be cancerous, you could be saving yourself on medical bills and an even lengthier procedure if you came clean with your doctor up front.

Secondly, all cells within the body contain receptors. Hormones regulate many of our bodies processes and have receptors situated on their outer walls to receive emmitted hormones that dock onto a receptor that fits the particular hormone molecule. Once the molecule has docked on the receptor, this then releases a chemical called Cyclic AMP that sends a message to the nucleus of the cell to begin the function the messenger (hormone) intended it to. It so happens that cells situated in the breast area have large numbers of receptors for estrogen. Once the estrogen docks onto the receptor, the reaction begins which results in the inflammation and increase in size of cells in the area producing excessive breast tissue.

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posted June 21, 2000 11:36 AM         

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Maybe this is a stupid question but why do you have gyno? yes, you took steroids but did you use an anti-estrogen like Nolvadex? I am not lecturing but seriously wondering how someone can get gyno from roids if an anti-estrogen is used? Is it still possible to get gyno EVEN if you use Nolvadex?

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posted June 21, 2000 11:42 AM         

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Yes I have told him it was from juice, he still wanted to do the biopsy. Yes i have used nolv. however i am predisposed to gyno, in fact i have had a mild form of it since my teenage years. My gyno isnt very bad but it is a bit painful, and the mine are just puffiness in the nips with a quarter size knot in them.

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posted June 21, 2000 01:02 PM            

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From what I've been told by people who have experienced the surgery is that they make an incision and drain the liquid from the gland. I have a friend who went for surgery and told them to remove the whole gland because he didn't want to take the chance of it coming back and having to go through the surgery all over again. Another friend of mine went for a consultation just recently and he told me that the doctor said that they no longer cut you, they just drain the liquid out of the gland. Again, this is what I've been told.

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posted June 21, 2000 01:12 PM            

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I had it done, they cut out enough tissue so the nipple will lay flat, then contour the chest with lipo. I don't know about them cutting out the entire gland. I have spoken to two expert doctors that specialize in cosmetic surgery, and gynecomastia surgery, and both said that if u remove all the tissue the nipple will be sunken in. Mine is wierd, it still protrudes a little but when I raise my arms above my head, it sinks in. I am unhappy, I had the surgery, but feel the doc didn't take enough off. I will probably have it done again in a year or two. Its not that bad, if u look around at most non bodybuilders, most guys have gyno to a certain degree, u just notice it more on us because our chest protrudes which makes the gyno look worse than it is.

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posted June 21, 2000 01:42 PM            

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The surgery you are speaking of involves a biopsy, this much is true. The remaining tissue that gets removed is up to the Dr. and "professional" opinion. What is not removed gets a chemical compound injected into the area that disolves the remaining tissue. If disclosed, the protrusion is due to steroid use, it becomes a cosmetic surgery which will NOT be covered by insurance, otherwise you may be able to put it on your carriers tab. The tissue growth is due to the high affinity of estogen receptor in the male breast tissue. If not removed entirely, the gland in which the estrogen originally binded to will regrow what has initially been removed. Dude, tell your doctor what you want-be honest as far not wanting that shit to grow back. If he avoids your requests, get another doctor.

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posted June 21, 2000 01:49 PM            

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This is a very informative post.

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posted June 21, 2000 03:30 PM         

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Thanks for the replies guys!!! I am going to see the Doc tomorrow and I will keep you posted on what is going on.

Thanks again Bros!!!

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