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 My First Cycle - Questions for the experienced
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remedy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted June 20, 2000 02:52 PM
  
I'm about to do my first cycle and start lifting again. Right now I'm on a pretty good diet, and I'm in basic shape. I'm 5'10" 165lbs. I want to get as big as I can, as fast as I can without killing myself or going overboard. Right now I've got sustanon(durateston) 250 and Clomid pills. Can someone recommend a good cycle, and also should I combine this (stack) with something else ? Or is that going overboard for my first time ? One other thing, I'm on doxepin (sinequan) as an antidepressant and antianxiety drug which I take 50mg at night. These roids arent going to f*ck me up are they ? thanks in advance!!! remedy IP: Logged |
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DYLAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 233) |
posted June 20, 2000 03:02 PM
If I were you I would start back up in the gym first until you reach a plateau, then think about this... D. IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 652) |
posted June 20, 2000 03:05 PM
I would suggest working to your body's natural limit before using AS. If your mind is set not to wait....I suggest: 10 week cycle sust 500mg/week (weeks 1-10) Clomid 50mg eod throughout the cycle. [This message has been edited by SSMAN (edited June 20, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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jdismukes Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 101) |
posted June 20, 2000 03:09 PM
You should lift for at least two years before you start using gear. And you are gonna have a hell of a time with depression if you take all that clomid. Maybe not, I hope not but you have been warned. IP: Logged |
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remedy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted June 20, 2000 03:55 PM
Damn SSMAN .. that looks like a lot of shit. Would it be ok for a beginner to just take Sust 250 1 amp a week for 6 or 8 weeks ? Then take the clomid eod for week 6-8 and ed for 9-10 ? remedy IP: Logged |
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Krusher Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 292) |
posted June 20, 2000 04:07 PM
SSman's cycle looks just right for you, didn't you say you wanna get big as fast as possible without killing yourself? That stack is considered to be of moderate but not insane dosages, you would get great results if you train and eat properly. The sides would be minimal for most at those dosages. IP: Logged |
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remedy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted June 20, 2000 04:14 PM
The only thing that bothers me is that I heard dbol was really bad for your liver.. from a friend of mine that juices a couple times a year. I want to maintain a safe and healthy body while trying gear my first time. SSMan's recommendation looks (to someone who doesn't know it all) rather intimidating. remedy IP: Logged |
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DREXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 119) |
posted June 20, 2000 04:26 PM
Well Remedy like the others I believe that you should start training again and get back to where you where before probably take you 6 months then juice. You can gain a lot back naturally. Then I suggest that you take 500mg of Sust for 6-8weeks with clomid eod throughout the cycle and ed for 2-3 weeks after the last sust inject. Remember that sust stay in ya for 21+ days... If you eat enough and train hard enough without overtraining you should pack on anywhere between 15-25lbs. [This message has been edited by DREXX (edited June 20, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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remedy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted June 20, 2000 04:35 PM
Yeah, I think I'm going to start training without the gear, get into as best shape as I can within 3 months. Then start gearing up. I'm going to just do the sust for 8 weeks with the clomid. I'll see how i do with that and unless someone convinces me that i HAVE to stack it with something, i'll save stacking for the next cycle. thanks, remedy IP: Logged |
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HeavyLifterX Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted June 20, 2000 04:56 PM
I did sus on my first cycle. I had the same thoughts as you, I don't want to f**k myself up, I was persuaded to stack. It was the best thing, I believe. I put 500mg of sus with 500mg of test cypionate and found myself looking great. They are right though, you should lift for about 6 months and find your flat spot and then come in with the gear. IP: Logged |
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GETCUT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 194) |
posted June 20, 2000 04:59 PM
same here, my first cycle was sust 500mg a week. put on 20lbs but i was young and broke out bad. i take it now that i am alot older and no break outs like i did before. just oily skin. but it is some good shit... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1178) |
posted June 20, 2000 04:59 PM
Go Big Bro on your first cycle.....you'll regret it if ya don't!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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big_dan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 161) |
posted June 20, 2000 05:18 PM
BUMP RANGER! BUMP SSMAN! REM...Bro. Listen to what these guys say they are smart! That is an excellent cycle. Also, Bump to all who told this man to go Natural for a while. Go until you plateu. I outweigh you buy 20lbs and I'm 5 inches shorter than you. But I started at 125lbs. then got up 155 natural before I found this board. But I will say this once(I am surprised no one else has said it yet!!!) STUDY!!!! Learn as much as you can hang around on this board for a while and utilize the search engine. Lack of knowledge will hurt you more than gear will!! Also don't under etimate your diet, rest and workout. These all have to be set up and proper before you start any thing or you'll over train injure yourself. All the gear in TJ can't help you once you tear rotar cuff of slip a disk or pinch a nerve. And if your diet is wrong then you won't reach any close t your max potential (w and w/o gear). remember educate your mind and w/ hard work your body will follow. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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remedy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted June 20, 2000 05:38 PM
Thanks for all the advice guys. I'm going to hang out here, study a lot, and start training normal for a few months. I'm sure i'll hit my plateau in 3-4 months. I gain pretty quick when I eat right, supplement right and stay regular with it. Then I'll be ready for the gear. Cant wait to feel the monster rush!!! IP: Logged |
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big_guy1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1018) |
posted June 20, 2000 06:05 PM
waht are you goral..iw ould stack it with d-bol personally...how much sus you got, or can get,t aht would helpt oo..post a smaple cycle and we can critique it easier... big-guy IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 652) |
posted June 20, 2000 06:16 PM
The cycle I've posted above may look intimidating to you, but I assure you it's a relatively mild cycle that will yield incredible results with minimal side effects. I'm on a similar cycle, but higher doses. Check out my latest update: http://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/018693.html IP: Logged |
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remedy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted June 20, 2000 06:32 PM
Yeah SSMAN, I read your update. Holy shit you are a monster bro haha!!! Jesus those are some fuckin GAINS boyyy.. I'm just lookin to put on about 20-30lbs of mass, and get it ripped up a bit. I don't really have to worry so much about cutting up, because i normally have really low bodyfat, being generally a thin person. The cycle you recommended, can you explain the dbol part ? you listed 6 doses.. so I take them 6 days and 1 off day ? explain if you can thanks. remedy IP: Logged |
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DREXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 119) |
posted June 20, 2000 06:50 PM
he means stick with the first does a week then second dose a week... IP: Logged |
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COOLGUY Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted June 20, 2000 06:54 PM
So do you eat steroids? or smoke them or what? IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 652) |
posted June 20, 2000 06:55 PM
DREXX is correct......each dose listed should be taken for a week. The dbol will allow strength and size gains early in the cycle. The effects of sust won't really be noticeable for 3-4 weeks. IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 234) |
posted June 20, 2000 07:04 PM
Remedy, your entire outlook with respect to training and AS supplementation is only going to lead your toward failure. By your own admission you are not a "seasoned" athlete. You are just getting back to the gym if I remember your post correctly. AS are not magical little pills that will make the inadequate adequate or for that matter supperlative. Your primary mission if your empassioned by bodybuilding is to train naturally, pay your dues with some time. Learn, learn learn, establish a personal ethic, a diet, and a training regimin that in conjunction with AS will lead you to a lifetime of successes. Listen to me well dude, Im not flaming you, or trying to be the party pooper. You dont know what your getting into, its not as simple as stabbing yourself in the ass, and turning into Lou Farigno. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 234) |
posted June 20, 2000 07:04 PM
Remedy, your entire outlook with respect to training and AS supplementation is only going to lead your toward failure. By your own admission you are not a "seasoned" athlete. You are just getting back to the gym if I remember your post correctly. AS are not magical little pills that will make the inadequate adequate or for that matter supperlative. Your primary mission if your empassioned by bodybuilding is to train naturally, pay your dues with some time. Learn, learn learn, establish a personal ethic, a diet, and a training regimin that in conjunction with AS will lead you to a lifetime of successes. Listen to me well dude, Im not flaming you, or trying to be the party pooper. You dont know what your getting into, its not as simple as stabbing yourself in the ass, and turning into Lou Farigno. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 234) |
posted June 20, 2000 07:05 PM
Remedy, your entire outlook with respect to training and AS supplementation is only going to lead your toward failure. By your own admission you are not a "seasoned" athlete. You are just getting back to the gym if I remember your post correctly. AS are not magical little pills that will make the inadequate adequate or for that matter supperlative. Your primary mission if your empassioned by bodybuilding is to train naturally, pay your dues with some time. Learn, learn learn, establish a personal ethic, a diet, and a training regimin that in conjunction with AS will lead you to a lifetime of successes. Listen to me well dude, Im not flaming you, or trying to be the party pooper. You dont know what your getting into, its not as simple as stabbing yourself in the ass, and turning into Lou Farigno. I am only presenting you with this point of view because your post paints you as a relative newbie to weight training. Your only gonna screw up man. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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flossin1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 100) |
posted June 20, 2000 07:51 PM
ill bump this for ya IP: Logged |
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remedy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted June 20, 2000 08:21 PM
Twisted_Steel, About 3 years ago, I was in the gym 4 times a week for a year, up to 176lbs, ripped as much as I could be. I hit my plateau as far as bench, back, and legs. I couldn't get ANY bigger. My friends were doing roids and getting HUGE gains, and getting ripped as hell a lot faster than me. At the time, they were pressuring me to do them too. I didn't really know too much about it and didn't trust it, so I stayed away. About that same time I came down with a serious illness which they really couldn't diagnose properly. They thought I had Crohns disease or ulcerative colitis. Turns out it was ulcerative colitis. To make a long story short, I ended up in the hospital for a couple weeks, shit blood and had diahrea for about 3 months, and lost about 30lbs. I looked like a concentration camp victim when it was all said and done. They had me on 80mg prednisone (corticosteroid) for 4 months, and then tapered me off over the next year. It took a long time to get it under control. Since then, I've had some minor 1-2 month flareups and had to go on prednisone to get it under control. I bought a lot of home gym equipment and free weights and had stayed in minimal shape since then. My mission is to get up there as fast as I can after I get into some better shape. I'm not just some total moron that is looking to juice up real quick and lose it all 4 weeks after the cycle is done. I've read alot about the individual AS's, but haven't really had much luck finding good beginner stories and cycles to go along with it. That's why I'm here. I'm going to do it up this time, and stay up there as best as I can. I figure, the amount of prednisone i've been on can prepare me for anything AS's have to offer. BTW, when I was in the hospital they had me on 120mg IV Solumedrol. That's some shit right there boy. remedy IP: Logged |
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