posted June 20, 2000 02:03 AM            

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i am a pitcher and looking for a velocity boost, i have friends that have taked sust and felt a great gain in arm strength, i also have a friend that is currently taking primo and says that is a good velocity increaser. should i take one over the other, or both together for gains in strength but specifically velocity on my fastball.??? also with piss tests which is out faster and how long would each take to get out of a piss test? any advice is appreciated, thanks bros.

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posted June 20, 2000 02:17 AM            

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sus is much more powerful than primo
completely different steroids, do some research.

Piss test will not show steroids. Blood test will if they look for it specifically.

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posted June 20, 2000 02:52 AM            

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a piss test can get you tested positive for steroid..what the hell do yo mean a piss test will not show steroids...ever hear ofNCAA testing...they test for steroids andit is a urine test....

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posted June 20, 2000 10:44 AM            

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Using any AS is a bad idea for a pitcher. You may have some short term success but thats it. I know of many highly regarded college/minor league pitchers who ruined their carears by using AS. Basically, AS will do much more harm than good in regard to baseball.

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posted June 20, 2000 10:46 AM            

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I think he would be ok to use deca, because it helps your joints.

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posted June 20, 2000 11:10 AM            

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Sus is one of the longer half-lifed test esters. It will be active in your system 4 weeks after last injection and detectable through urine tests afterwards. Primobolan in any fashion is a nandralone derivitive so it will most definatly stay in your system. If you insist on taking chances with NCAA testing and are prepared for the sides associated with orals go for them.

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posted June 20, 2000 11:47 AM            

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lexicon, why do you think that AS will do harm to a pitcher?

i went to the university of texas and i know that when roger clemens got there his fastball was toppin' out in the low to mid-eighties. it was through strength training (i'm not sayin' he juiced) that he was able to hit the mid nineties. wouldn't AS help someone to attain that goal?

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posted June 20, 2000 12:03 PM            

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Comon everyone this is a friend of mine from way back he needs some good advice.. The sust will definately stay in for at least a month or two to my knowledge. The primo im not sure what do you mean its a nandrolane? does that mean its kind of a deca? In my opinion he needs some good old fashioned winstrol in and out of the system and thats all i would fuck with for fear of risking my whole career.. richierich stay real man.. good luck.. by the way he is the star pitcher in a top division I school.. hes going places.. help him out he needs the little extra push..

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posted June 20, 2000 12:04 PM            

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Because it dramatically increases throwing velocity and most pitchers with tear their rotator cuff muscles due to such a fast increase in strength. If done correctly, it can be a major league step in play but most people have no idea how to train for sport specifics and fuck up. Every guy I know in the minor leagues pitching are on winny and are training their rotator cuff muscles year round. Average increase from clean to geared up is about 5mph but learn more before you fuck up you arm and maybe your chances in college.

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posted June 21, 2000 01:40 AM            

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hey schniken thanks for looking out, you to pup'nirn, i also did winny and have seen a great increase from that, the thing is I still have a lot of weight that i can put on for my frame. i was looking to do some sust to put some weight on with the great stregth increase that you get from the sust. I have been coached by some of the best and i know how to keep my self in good pitching shape as far as my rotator cuff is concerned, i just wanted to know if anyone has seen or heard of velocity increases with the sust. i wanted to do some winny right before my season next year to just get the extra boost, but i am not looking to make that my third cycle of winny, ya know what i mean, plus i think with the combo of sust thrown in there i will get my self in the best shape i could be in, thanks for the help guys, any extra comments would be appreciated.

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posted June 21, 2000 02:34 AM            

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richie
First off grotesque made a completely STUPID remark. If you don't know what your talking about then don't express your oppinion like it's a fact. In the NCAA they do test for AS and it is done by a piss test. Grotesque if you want to dispute this then take it up with me as I played division 1 baseball and KNOW for a fact that they do test by a piss test randomely once your team reaches regionals. I was tested myself and luckily I hadn't used any AS up to that point. By the way Sustanon can remain in your system for up to five months after your last injection due to the long acting esters. I believe that it stays in your system the longest of all the testosterones.Richie you can e-mail me as I have freinds with experience with these drugs and their effect on a pitchers velocity. Watch the cuff problems as the point about sudden strength increases causing alot of injury problems is very true. Take care and e-mail me if you want more info. By the way I was with the Seattle Mariners orginization before I Tore my ACL in October in Fall Ball. Take care and good luck!

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posted June 22, 2000 02:25 AM            

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thanks again for the help, i know that some people just assume that the ncaa doesnt test for juice because it is expensive, but people who have played there see it all the time. We made the regionals both years i have been there but that is the only time during the year that i am tested. so even if i do a cycle of sust now i will be fine by next years regional. i had wanted to do some deca because of it helping out your joints and all the other nice effects it has but it is in your system for to damn long. GAMER, you seem to be very knowlegeable about this sort of stuff, i would appreciate it if you gave me your e-mail address so i could pic your brain about this stuff before i get into it, thanks agian.

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posted June 23, 2000 05:39 AM            

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