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 Clomid alone brings on fat gain and water retention?
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ItalianSweetness Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 291) |
posted June 18, 2000 06:30 PM
 
I was going through the posts and found this comment by a respected individual on the board and it made me wonder. Is this really true? IP: Logged |
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ItalianSweetness Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 291) |
posted June 18, 2000 07:22 PM
anyone? IP: Logged |
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ItalianSweetness Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 291) |
posted June 18, 2000 07:24 PM
bump for myself. IP: Logged |
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Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 771) |
posted June 18, 2000 07:31 PM
who said that? he's got it all wrong ------------------ IP: Logged |
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irishblood Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 103) |
posted June 19, 2000 01:50 AM
ive never heard of this but why would you take clomid by itself anyway. you only take this to combat all the other "goodies" being put into your body. unless you are a male with 36DD cup size why would you try to do this alone, just curious? IP: Logged |
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rocky Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 276) |
posted June 19, 2000 11:37 AM
It's not unusual to be taking clomid by itself at the end of a cycle. The stuff about water retention and fat gain is false. IP: Logged |
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The_Blond_Myth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 284) |
posted June 19, 2000 02:17 PM
Clomid has estrogen, remember, this was not made for bodybuilding, it is a womens fertility drug. its just a weaker estrogen that attaches itself to the estrogen receptors in the chest area and being that the receptors are blocked, the more potent gyno causing estrogen, such as that from the conversion of testosterone to DHT is blocked. However at least for me and several others I have talked to have experienced female pattern fat distribution, meaning your not really getting gyno so to speak, but just more fat on the chest. I am speaking from experience, I don't care too much for clomid other that post cycle, if u are prone to gyno, I would not rely solely on clomid. LP [This message has been edited by The_Blond_Myth (edited June 19, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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marky Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 405) |
posted June 19, 2000 10:47 PM
I read somewhere that Clomid was used to induce labor in long term pregnancies. Never heard or had any fat or water gain with it after a cycle-i actually go more shredded as i lost the water. IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 656) |
posted June 19, 2000 10:59 PM
I'm taking clomid eod during my current cycle and I'm leaner now than I was pre-cycle. Any water retention I have can be attributed to sust and dbol. IP: Logged |
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ectomorph Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 327) |
posted June 19, 2000 11:31 PM
Ive gone through a few boxes of Clomid and it reduced the fat(adipose) on my lower outer pecs. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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natedawg Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 14) |
posted June 20, 2000 12:12 AM
***READ THIS*** Clomid does not cause fat gain and it will probably help you lose fat. It does not contain estrogen, it is an estrogen (with a slightly different structure). Regular estrogens dock to receptors at fat cells and promote fat storage. Clomid also docks to fat cells but does nothing except prevent regular estrogens from docking there. So it helps prevent the fat gain that regular estrogens would cause. The reason Clomid prevents gyno and stimulates LH production (which stimulates test production) is because it acts as an estrogen antagonist at fat and pituitary cells. It blocks estrogen (hence the name "antiestrogen"). On the other hand, Clomid acts as an estrogen agonist at bone cells, so it helps build strong bones. And it's extremely safe. In one study, it was given TO MEN at 100mg eod FOR 18 MONTHS with no bad side effects. I think it's one of the greatest drugs ever made. And I'm not a pharmicist or anything, I've just read a lot about it. Anyone can verify this info for themselves- just search Medline for "Clomiphene Citrate" and "Males" and "Testosterone." SO THERE!  IP: Logged |
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Milk_Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted June 20, 2000 12:34 AM
If you have never done clomid kindly SHUT THE FUCK UP. I have had fat gains and water bloat in face, chest, and mid section due to clomid use. clomid is an estrogen and does activate estrogen receptors to what point or extent i dont care. Now your going to get all these posts talking about clomid, and how good it is, how it should be used EOD, and all this other bs. The truth is half of these people have never even done it and know very little about how it works and what it does. They do not matter. What does matter is experience. I have it, blondmyth has it, and other people have it. We have all had fat gains from it. It ruined 4 of my cycles untill i finally figured it out. Sure, we are all different. And I'm sure there are lots of people out there that can take clomid and have no side effects. Maybe you are one of them. But let me tell you something, if your like us you will regret taking this estrogen crap. Why not take Nolvadex instead? [This message has been edited by Milk_Man (edited June 20, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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ItalianSweetness Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 291) |
posted June 20, 2000 02:44 AM
I don't understand how u guys have such varied opinions on the subject. I mean no one knows the facts straight up it seems like. There is always a yes and no.....very frustrating. IP: Logged |
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ItalianSweetness Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 291) |
posted June 20, 2000 02:46 AM
BlondMyth------> Did u have maybe problem with diet or training that u were gaining the fat? U attribute your 4 cycles being fuked up because of clomid use? If this is true why don't we here more about the issue. IP: Logged |
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Milk_Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted June 20, 2000 01:37 PM
because people are stupid. IP: Logged |
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loomisH Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32) |
posted June 20, 2000 01:54 PM
I've got to bump this one....I find the discussion to be intriguing. Any mods wanna try and settle this one with their 02? IP: Logged |
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ItalianSweetness Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 291) |
posted June 20, 2000 02:45 PM
bump again............. IP: Logged |
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jarabbit Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34) |
posted June 20, 2000 02:53 PM
bump what is the answer????? good or bad? IP: Logged |
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WARLOC Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32) |
posted June 20, 2000 03:07 PM
SO SHOULD I TAKE CLOMID EOD OR WAIT TIL THE END OF MY CYCLE? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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giantset Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 197) |
posted June 20, 2000 03:45 PM
I have never had any problems with clomid as of yet except that post cycle it makes me moody. I'm not very lean though so I just might not have noticed it. However, the female fat distribution that you are experiencing could very well be attributed to the high levels of estrogen and lower levels of test that you have post cycle. Do you gain fat on your thighs and tris too? IP: Logged |
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Milk_Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted June 20, 2000 04:32 PM
You people make me sick. Its like someone has to cram the answer down your throwt so you choak on it before you get it. And no this has nothing to do with post cycle estrogen levels. You think that something so simple is just going to skip us right by. my typical cycle with clomid EOD: fat gain, bloat, very little muscle gain. my typical cycle without clomid: fat reduction, very litle boat, muscle gain. my typical reaction with clomid ED after a cycle: more fat gain, more bloat. my typical reaction without clomid after a cycle: loss of bloat, fat decrease now i have made it so the simplest of morons can get it. hope this helps IP: Logged |
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ItalianSweetness Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 291) |
posted June 20, 2000 07:07 PM
I am doing 5omgs every day by itself in order to try to get my testes working properly 9 weeks after my cycle (slim hopes). But I will inform u guys on its effects on fat. I'll be the clomid only test rat that will distinguish whether clomid does indeed do this. So far for week 2 absolutely no fat gain anywhere. IP: Logged |
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oeffler Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 24) |
posted June 20, 2000 08:04 PM
Hey milk_boy,"throwt"? "choak"? If you can't even fucking spell correctly, I don't think you are in a position to profess that you are more intelligent that the rest of us. IP: Logged |
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rocky Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 276) |
posted June 20, 2000 08:26 PM
heheheh, I love Clomid. Great for keeping gains, no fat increase ... damn, after 3 weeks ED the ladies call me the milkman, can fill a whole glass full of the white stuff. AAAHHHHH CLOMID !!! I LOVE IT !!!! AND TEST TOO !!!! IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 171) |
posted June 20, 2000 09:15 PM
Clomiphene, like Nolvadex, is an estrogen partial agonist/antagonist. This means that the drug binds the ER and blocks the effects of the stronger estrogens like estradiol, but it can also activate the ER in certain tissues. Nolvadex is known to activate the ER in the uterus in women, where is will cause endometrial hypertrophy. Some people may be more sensitive to the effects of the weak activation from clomiphene and therefore display estrogenic symptoms. IP: Logged |
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chestyII Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 609) |
posted June 20, 2000 09:33 PM
This is an absurd way to profess intelligence. Someone asked a question about clomid. Since we at least I am not a doctor, all we have to go on is our own experiences. I was down in Mexico last night and bought some clomid mainly for my testes (don't want to see shriveled prunes again) I read the physicians desk reference and from what I remember, it said that this drug is used to start menstration/ovulation (can't remember which) The write up continued by saying that the patient should start with 50mg a day and if this does not work then it can be increased to 100mg a day. Anyway, that is what I remember. Now, we need to behave and stop insulting and calling someone else and idiot or fuck face or whatever else. We are all in this sport for fun and career so lets use this board appropriately and remember everyone is going to have an opinion. Respect it. If you disagree with it do so in a professional manner. chesty ------------------ IP: Logged |
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natedawg Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 14) |
posted June 20, 2000 11:59 PM
I was just trying to share some of the info I've learned in order to help others. Everything I stated came off of Medline or one of those huge drug manuals. If I came off as an asshole I appologize. Milkman, you have a good point- Clomid will have bad effects on some users. But instead of sharing your experiences like a nice board member, you flame me. For those who would still like to know, I think most would agree that Clomid is a good drug. But if it has bad effects on you, don't use it. You'll have to try it to find out. IP: Logged |
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Milk_Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted June 21, 2000 12:48 AM
Why is it all of you think i'm talking to YOU. I'm not. And I'm not proffesing my intelligence on anyone. You are putting words into my mouth. [This message has been edited by Milk_Man (edited June 21, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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bad brains Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 627) |
posted June 21, 2000 10:43 AM
Hey milk_man, you need to get hold of yourself, who made you the fucking expert on this board? This board is for learning not for some trash talking newbie who thinks he knows it all. Let people make there opinion, and you shut up if can't say anything intelligent. I take clomid eod thru and after ed, I don't gain weight, the reason you get fat is probably cause you suck down too many burgers and take a lot water retaining gear. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3495) |
posted June 21, 2000 11:15 AM
Milk Man you're completely out of line and you're also completely wrong about clomid. I take clomid ed 100mg, and have never had fat gain problems. I'm sorry to hear that your body is as messed up as your mind. Grow up. IP: Logged |
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Milk_Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 180) |
posted June 21, 2000 12:51 PM
I am completely wrong because you have not had any side effect? What kind of logic is that? And a big fuck you to the rest. Dont you get it? I'm not here to help. Maybe I was a long time ago but once I hit 100 I just said fuck it these people never will learn they keep asking these stupid questions day after day the same shit in and out it gets in the head after a while. So delete me. Ive got nothing to add to this board except flames. You intolerant fucks. It dont matter I'll stop posting anyways this is getting borring. but I'll always remember the good times! [This message has been edited by Milk_Man (edited June 21, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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