posted June 18, 2000 05:03 PM            

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"It isn't what you say you'll do, It's how you do it"

posted June 18, 2000 06:02 PM            

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" SOMETIMES THE MOST OBVIOUS IS THE UNOBVIOUS"

posted June 18, 2000 11:08 PM            

All the AS does if taken as a teenager is accelreate development that you can naturally attain anyway. It doesn't help you break through limits, it just rushes you toward them. Then future cycles will not be as effective because you have already hit the receptors. In the end, your potential will diminish.

Additionally, AS in the teenage years give you less of an advantage over no users because those are the years of max natural test anyway. With hard work and a good diet you can gain easily at that time. It will get harder, later. Then you will apprecaite As even more.

posted June 18, 2000 11:50 PM            

19 is border line the right age. It depends on the person. If you feel that you've stopped growing, then its proably time.

The reason that it is not wise to start early is because in the teens your body is developing its natural test levels. This involves not only chemical balance but also nervous sytem response. You can not trick your body into thinking that you have not changed the natural balance. I'm not going to get technical...its too late tonight. Most teens have not yet learned how to train, eat, sleep...etc properly, so its kinda hard for the old dogs around here to honestly listen to the 'I'm really ready' sales pitch. You have to have a good base to start with, if you push too hard and too fast you'll screw up that base.

posted June 19, 2000 09:07 AM            

Let me throw this out to the rest of you. Lets forget about the health implications. Take the average 18 yr old just finished high school kid. Assuming that he will attend college, here's what his day might look like:

Wake up at noon, grab a Coke to drink as he's heading out to the beach. For a mid day snack he'll have some greasy hamburger and fries, washed down with a few beers. Late afternoon rolls around and he's ready for that pre-work out meal, pizza sounds good today. He'll head to the gym to get his 'pump' before he goes out that night. He really trained those biceps hard during his 20 min workout, so he has a weightgainer shake at home. Night time rolls around and he's headed to the club, lots of drinks to press and some xtc to take. He gets his cardio while cranked up on xtc and jumping in the mosh. A few hours of this and he finds a little houch, takes her out to the car, gives her 20 seconds of pleasure and calls it a night. Next day is a repeat.

Now if he goes to college, nothing changes except he's on a budget and can't have that weight gainer shake because he's broke. He can only afford to train a few times a month.

He has a buddy who knows about this board, he logs on, he does 10 seconds worth of research and has the perfect cycle, its perfect because he's a genetic freak and doesn't need to listen to everyone else. He spends next terms book money on his cycle and pops away. He's ready to get 'swole'.

He continues his noraml routine. Doesn't want to eat alot of extra's so he can stay ripped for the summer. Trains even less because going to the club gives him all the work out he needs. He did notice that his biceps had jumped up to 15 inches today, now he's a bad ass. He's ready to jump someone tonight. He rolls in the club and calls someone out (maybe Ranger), he gets his ass beat but finds another houch, runs out to the car but can't get it up....those 10 A-50's per day have shut is nuts down.

Sound familiar to anyone here ?

Maybe from now on we shouldn't put an age stamp on use of gear. It is really a maturity level. I bet that there's no one on this board who hasn't met a person exactely like my story above. Using gear like that is a waste of time and money, not to mention opportunities.

posted June 20, 2000 03:36 AM            

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One more road to cross
One more risk to take
Gotta live my life
like there's one more move to make.

BLOOD LIKE VENOM,
FLESH LIKE STEEL.

posted June 20, 2000 11:36 AM            

Jeff

posted June 22, 2000 07:22 PM            

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posted June 22, 2000 07:48 PM            

BigPapa, I have to fully agree with that statement you made, Maturity is extremely important when it comes to AS.
Let me say a quick story, then I'll shut up.
3 of us started a Sus cycle at the same time, 1 of us was at the bars every weekend and during the week, would eat junk food and food thats not worth a damn, would sleep maybe 4 or 5 hours a night, would take "E" whenever he could get a hold of it.... was on Sus for about for months straight without clomid, would train like an ass, wouldn't listen to any advice about AS, training or nutrition..... and guess where he is now?
A hell of a lot weaker because all he gains are gone, plus he stopped working out and doesn't plan to start again until he gets more juice.
I felt sad as I watched him waste all those amps of Sus but his mauturity level is down there with a 5 yr old.