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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 17, 2000 09:59 PM
  
I have a question for all of you.. I work out 4-5 days a week, eat very strict (especially mon-fri) weekends I splurge a bit but nothing too terrible. I've boosted my protein intake to around 200+ grams per day. I work out HARD, i mean really HARD. I train w/ one of my friends who has been working out for well over 5 years so when I started working out I kindda learned his work ethic. But I see so many ppl who only come in the gym maybe 2 days a week and they grow SOOO much faster then me. It just seems like it takes me so long to gain muscle mass, and theres so many people I know who work out half as hard as me and gain muscle twice as fast.. is it genetics or what?? IP: Logged |
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Mlrtime1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 104) |
posted June 17, 2000 10:09 PM
Certainly some of it is genetics. But try different things. Maybe you eat too clean. Maybe you overtrain. Maybe not heavy enough or too heavy. There are a lot of variables. It's ok to be discouraged but use that to educate yourself more and try different things. Keep it up, it will pay off. IP: Logged |
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Monster Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 133) |
posted June 17, 2000 10:10 PM
It could be sooooo many different thing. Its hard to say without actually knowing you. A lot fo people overtrain and dont even realize it. Id say (just pulling a number out of my ass) that 8 out of 10 people overtrain to some degree. Most people shouldnt train the same bodypart more than once a week, but the train chest and triceps together, then a day or so later their doing delt (in effect overtraining thier triceps) and then are back to chest and triceps a couple days after that. So when did the triceps get a chance to recover??? They didnt! The same goes for other bodyparts. Also, too many setrs for small bodyparts, never varying exercises, and on and on. As for genetics, well, thats a curse we all have to live with. Ive had to fight for every millimeter of chest I have, but I had 19inch calves before I ever worked out, and have 21 1/2 calves now without ever really concentrating on their development. Same with delts, theyre full and wide and round, but my traps are a non stop struggle. Theyre thick and full and run down my back like two fat steel cables, but the mother fuckers just dont want to grow on the front (like where theyre noticable from in front of me). I see guys with huge chests, and good looking traps and am envious of them, but its something you just have to find a way to cope with. Personally, Ive just found that I concentrate on my pluses, instead of my negatives. I also dont pick them apart and say "well, he has a nice chest, but his delts are flat.", because I feel that that kind of negativity is detrimental to me... I know that this didnt really answer anything for you, but I hope it helps a little. IP: Logged |
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cdog Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 42) |
posted June 17, 2000 10:15 PM
Work out 3-4 days a week, Work only a certian mucsle group at a time and only work out for 45min to an hour at the most keep eating right, and get Good sleep and you will grow. The only way i would work out 5-6 days a week is to keep a physic that i already have you know what i mean. To build takes time to repair, you can only force your body to grow so much. And then you have to let nature take its course. Peace im out----Cdog IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 17, 2000 10:19 PM
I work every bodypart once a week, occasionly if I see a bodypart that needs more attention I will work it lets say.. Monday, and then again.. Thursday or Friday so I can give it enough rest. But 9 times out of 10, I only work every muscle group once a week. It's just discouraging to see some of my buddies who are naturally kindda big that come in there and work a bodypart out for 15 minutes, once a week and get soo much bigger. It feels like my biceps are stuck. I see no growth in them whatsoever, and I am contimplating taking a few days off from the gym. I don't really feel as if im overtrained though. A buddy of mine has a terrible workout schedule. He'll skip workouts, sometimes only come twice a week, doesn't eat too well, drinks alot.. and grows faster then me. IP: Logged |
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TEXASAMM Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 200) |
posted June 18, 2000 12:40 AM
Spunky,how much do you weigh? and give me an estimate of your bodyfat %.and how many carbs. are you taking in daily?what drugs are you taking and how long have been on?I will help you out....SAMM IP: Logged |
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Eramthgin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 198) |
posted June 18, 2000 01:18 AM
Load up the darts and get after it. Hey ATM how you feel about them putting the bon fire on hold for two years? ------------------ If you enjoy it today you can always do it again tomorrow. IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 18, 2000 08:50 AM
I weight right at 190lbs. I had my body fat % checked a while back when I wasn't in as good of shape and it was at 12.5%. That has been 4 months and I've built muscle and lost weight since then. If I had to guess I would be around 10, probably below 10. I am 6'2 also. During the week my carbs are lower, say around 100. Weekends I go up to 200-300 carbs a day, but I try to stick to good carbs. Most of my carbs come from skim milk, I drink ALOT of that, i'd say half gallon a day maybe more. IP: Logged |
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Capt'n_Crunch Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 942) |
posted June 18, 2000 09:57 AM
I think that most people waste too much time in the gym overtraining and too often I see the same people in the gym doing the same exercises or just the generic lifts without experimenting new methods. I dont believe in the workout "schedule philosophy". I never know what I am going to do that day. I mean I know what bodyparts I am going to work but never exactly what exercises I will do or in what order. I just kind of make it up as I go and frankly it works for me. I also believe that some of it does have to do with genetics, but alot with intensity too and knowing when to stop. I dont think that you should be lifting for anymore than 90 to 120 minutes, if even that. There is just too much variability to give you a true answer, just try different methods and more variety. IP: Logged |
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rippazoid Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 94) |
posted June 18, 2000 11:00 AM
Mlrtime hit it on the head.it could be several things. I would definately increase protein to 1.5 grams per lb of bodyweight. also up your complex carbs to 400 or more grams per day( eat brown rice,sweet potatoes,kidney beans, oatmeal and plenty of green leafy veggies to slow down absorbtion) your goal is to put on lean mass, not fat so limit your fat intake to 15% of total calories. there are just too many things it could be, but this might help. IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 18, 2000 11:10 AM
Thanks for the advice guys.. My workout has kindda stayed the same for a while to be honest w/ u. On chest days I always start out w/ flat bench, leg days I always start w/ squats, etc, it pretty much stays the same. So I guess it would be a good idea to start switching the order that I do things? One question: On chest days, should I always do flat bench press? I noticed that if I only do flat bench press every other chest day and stick to dumbbells I get stronger. I just piss my training partner off when i switch stuff up. He's stuck in a routine. IP: Logged |
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BigWh1tey Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted June 18, 2000 11:30 AM
not to simplify , but it sounds like the classic Overtraining situation . If your pal has been training significantly longer than you , following his lead may be more detrimental than advantageous. Try the less is more approach for a few weeks and see what happens. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TEXASAMM Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 200) |
posted June 18, 2000 04:05 PM
Everyone here has stated excellent advise.It seems you are an ectomorph.and you need to do less sets with heavier weights, you do not need to do forced reps except on a couple sets that day do your reps slow (3sec.neg.-2sec.pos.) and rest 3-5 mins between sets.this will allow you to handle more weight.Now your nutrition is lacking for 6'2"-190lbs. eat 50gms of protien every 3 hrs for a total of 350-400gm. a day.your carbs need to get up to at least 700gm. a day. Now you will get plenty of fat naturally from the increase in food.check your BF% in the mirror once a week and if you are gaining to much fat lower carbs by 50-100gms. If not raise them to keep gaining weight.This is a starting point only.it is hard to customize a nutritional program when you haven't worked with the person.I am only guessing from what I have read on you that you have a high metabolism like me and this is what it takes for me to grow...good luck ....SAMM IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 18, 2000 04:38 PM
Thanks for the advice again. Yea I do have a high metabolism. It seems whatever I eat I burn it off in no time and if anything i'll lose weight instead of gain it. I started eating like a horse now. I'm getting about 5-6 meals a day, loaded w/ good carbs and protein like chicken, beef, lima beans, cottage cheese, skim milk. I've been eating pasta for carbs and a slice of wheat bread. Is that a good carb choice? IP: Logged |
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aahthit Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 140) |
posted June 18, 2000 04:39 PM
I won't waste you time with a huge ass post restating the same things that the other bro's already mentioned. Here's an idea that sticks with me quite a bit: If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten. I'm guessing you overtrain. I was in the same rut until I changed my attitude, was honest with myself about what I could and could not lift, and quit stressing about things I couldn't change. It's one thing to motivated, but another to be obsessed. Something to think about. Hope this at least helps a little. IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 18, 2000 04:42 PM
One more question: Since I am now eating lots of carbs, should I start doing an early morning cardio a few times a week to keep my fat level down? I don't have much fat on my body except around my waist. It all collects there, everywhere else is ok. IP: Logged |
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aahthit Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 140) |
posted June 18, 2000 04:55 PM
What kind of carbs are you eating? Are you more interested in getting bigger or improving overall conditioning? You can't get ripped and huge at the same time. If you just want to get big, eat everything that doesn't run faster than you. If you're trying to diet down, then you need to be a lot more selective in the type of food you eat. IP: Logged |
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susthead Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 165) |
posted June 18, 2000 06:27 PM
cut your training down your body needs time to recover. even on anabolics you need to give your body time a natural bb should train no more than 3 times a week and someone taking AS can train 4 what you gotta remember is that pro's can train 6 days a week because these guys take lots of gear and also growth insulin thyroid and they dont work they just train eat shit and sleep m8 , plus they been training like 15 yrs plus so there body needs the stimulus of training that much. IP: Logged |
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RAGING BULL Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 206) |
posted June 18, 2000 06:57 PM
Spunky--you are a walking contradiction my friend. Why do you need to "grow fast"? Do you want to be lean or big? You can't be both--at least not yet. 100gr of carbs and "bumped up to 200gr of protein" a day is only 1200 calories--and you want to do cardio? And you wonder why you aren't growing. You actually answer every one of your own questions in your posts. You couldn't be more confused my friend--someone please help this guy. Only when you take responsibility for your own life can you become the man you want to be. BTW, every second you focus on how others are looking is a second you could spend bettering yourself. LOL ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 18, 2000 07:06 PM
Raging bull, if u notice that was in the first message I wrote, since then I have recieved good advice. Yes I am wanting to get big. I realize 100carbs, 200g protein is way too little to achieve that now. BTW, I don't focus on how others look to the point it fucks w/ my own training. The way others look makes me train even harder. I want to gain mass, however I don't want to have a big ol belly hangin over my belt from all these carbs. IP: Logged |
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TEXASAMM Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 200) |
posted June 18, 2000 08:04 PM
Spunky,yeah those are good carb choices and Ripazoid wrote somemore,now if you are only eating 5-6 meals that is only 250-300gms of protien it is a good start but in 2 weeks you need to go up!Dont worry about gaining fat right now ,you will need all you strenth to put on the muscle.a person with a high metabolism can drop the fat very easily this is not a consern right now....SAMM IP: Logged |
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Mlrtime1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 104) |
posted June 18, 2000 11:32 PM
Great suggestions guys..you rock ! Here's one more thought Spunky. It's hard for me to gain too. When I'm bulking up I get sick of eating so much food and just can't seem to get all the protein and calories I target for. I use a protein/carb weight gainer between meals and at bedtime. It's made the difference for me. Good Luck. IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 18, 2000 11:35 PM
Do I really need to watch the junk food? Or since im trying to gain weight can I be easier on myself and splurge more often. I just hate it when fat collects around my waist, and when it starts collecting it ALL goes there. IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 18, 2000 11:36 PM
Another thought: How long should a bulking phase be? IP: Logged |
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Pops Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 168) |
posted June 19, 2000 05:26 AM
SSSSPPPUUUUUUUUNNNNKKKYYY!!!! SPUNKY!!!! FUCK DUDE!!!!!!! SPUNKY!!!!! (GRRRRR) consume 100 grams of carbs during the workout(grapejuice). immediately after the workout, consume another 100 grams of carbs with 50 grams of protein. 2 hours later consume 50 grams of carbs and 50 grams of protein. Do all this and become big. -Pops [This message has been edited by Pops (edited June 19, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 19, 2000 11:29 AM
Alright, thanks for the help. IP: Logged |
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RAGING BULL Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 206) |
posted June 19, 2000 01:41 PM
Pops, Great advice. See spunkman, it ain't brain surgery. Keep it simple and basic. Think of yourself as a sculpter. First you need to create a basic form and shape. Only then should a sculpter concern himself with the intricate details of the piece. Listen to Pops dude! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 19, 2000 02:17 PM
Good advice to both of u. Well said raging bull. So right now I am just going to concern myself w/ eating alot of good foods, gaining alot of mass, and once I get to a desirable size I will stop bulking and then go on a reduced calorie diet, less carbs to cut it all up. Does that sound like a basic synopsis? IP: Logged |
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RAGING BULL Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 206) |
posted June 19, 2000 08:03 PM
YYYYYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 19, 2000 09:30 PM
It ONLY took me 30 posts to figure that out. WOW, im proud. =) IP: Logged |
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BigWh1tey Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted June 19, 2000 10:06 PM
Dan Duchaine used to say , " when your trying to get big and your using steroids dont beat yourself up because you had a Big Mac , beat yourself up because you didnt have 3". ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 19, 2000 10:54 PM
haha.. i hate those things. I use to eat them like candy back before i got into shape. Now one would probably make me sick. IP: Logged |
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Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted June 19, 2000 10:57 PM
I must say, since i've increased my calories, I feel better while im working out. I have more energy and feel stronger. I guess my really really reduced calorie diet wasn't good for building muscle. =) IP: Logged |
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charliehorse Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 11) |
posted June 20, 2000 12:59 AM
Yo bro don't get down. Keep bustin your ass and you WILL achieve the dream. don't stop reaching for the sky! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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biggmack Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 182) |
posted June 20, 2000 01:16 AM
Most of the time it's not whether you have good genetics or not, it's wether you have deep pockets or not! IP: Logged |
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You are making it TOOOO difficult. so you want big muscles right? when does a bulking cycle end? when you are as big as you want to be. get at least 9 hours of sleep per night. no, dont eat junk food, eat LOTS of clean foods. keep carbs at about 600-700 grams per day. protein at around 1.5 grams per lb of bodyweight. do not rest any less than 3 minutes between sets. train between 6-8 reps TO failure.