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 Do I absolutly need Clomid with Deca?
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Kane1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 55) |
posted June 17, 2000 08:11 PM
 
I'm about to do a 6 week cycle with deca and winny. Exactly what happens if I don't use Clomid during the cycle. I have heard that the winny will stop the gyno from the deca, and the deca will kill my sex drive with out test. But what If I don't take clomid this is my first cycle and I want to start now, but I can't find clomid. Will I lose all of my gains? IP: Logged |
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oubeta Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted June 17, 2000 08:34 PM
I'm wondering the same thing. I posted the same yesterday and from what I understood you need have a way to get it. I'm not going to get any but if I need it I would like the peace of mind of knowing for SURE I can get it. If it were me I would work on a source for Nolvadex. I think if you were at the point that you need something that that would be a better choise. As for sex drive, my girl is going to kill me if she dosn't get her three a day's. I'm trying to score some test but my funds are running short. I've never done a cycle this is just what I've learned from the board. Email me if you find out..see ya bro IP: Logged |
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Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 761) |
posted June 17, 2000 08:47 PM
take some test with the deca...do an 8 week cycle..if it's your first cycle (it looks like it) do 600mg of test and 400mg of deca a week throughout...don't taper up or down since changing levels of test are what makes you get gyno. And take clomid eod, and 2 weeks after 100mg a day,and have nolvadex on hand. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Hominid Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) |
posted June 17, 2000 09:20 PM
Clomid is probably always helpful and advisable, but I think it's not critical with deca and winny because neither of these cause significant increases in estrogens. IP: Logged |
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aahepp Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 83) |
posted June 17, 2000 09:23 PM
Okay heres the thing Clomid is used to help get natural test production going again. Deca is not a synthetic test. Read a diffretn post "Deca vs Vet test" Some have said that Clomid will help with estrogen problems, but I haven't seen any proof of that yet. IP: Logged |
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cowbell Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 301) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:18 PM
personaly I would not do deca without the use of clomid eod, clomid is easy to find and is not counterfieted as far as I know. get the clomid bro.  IP: Logged |
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Kane1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 55) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:19 PM
As far as getting my natural test going again. Won't it start back up after the cycle without Clomid? I figure if I just bust my ass in the gym I will be able to keep my gains until my natural test starts again. Is this true correct me if I'm wrong. IP: Logged |
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cowbell Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 301) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:23 PM
Its a nice thought but after your cycle when you crash thats when you want to ge the natural hormones back fast cause you will be depressed and feel like shit. IP: Logged |
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ThePitbull Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 221) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:29 PM
All right, your wrong! Sure your natural test will start back up sometime. In the meantime you will be loosing a lot of the gains you worked so hard for. Whether you bust your ass or not. One thing you can count on around here, when anybody critiques a cycle, they always stress, USE CLOMID! Use it bro, you will be glad you did. Pitbull IP: Logged |
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Kane1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 55) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:33 PM
Ok since I have no idea where to get clomid, and I'm positive now that I need it. Is there any over the counter subsitutes that I can use that will work the same as clomid? IP: Logged |
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cowbell Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 301) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:33 PM
you should listen to pitbull and myself, it takes awhile for the natural hormones to start back up. IP: Logged |
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Kane1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 55) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:35 PM
Cowboy I am listening to you guys and I know that I need it just but is there any subsitutes? IP: Logged |
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ThePitbull Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 221) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:43 PM
I don't know of anything (OTC) that is as effective as clomid. Some people try Tribulus Tetris. (Tribestan, Tribulus, Trib. 500) Other not OTC: HCG, Cyclofenil Look around bro, you will find clomid. Pitbull IP: Logged |
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aahepp Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 83) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:48 PM
A Little bubble burst here. Clomid is not needed for just a Deca cycle. Deca does not shut down test production. Deca is not a synthetic test. Some cases has shown that higher doseages of Deca has caused some test production problems. But at normal doseage 400-600mg/wk you shouldn't see problems. IP: Logged |
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cowbell Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 301) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:49 PM
give me and Email bro, I am not a source put I can point you in the right direction, O and I am no cowboy!! IP: Logged |
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ThePitbull Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 221) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:56 PM
For as little as clomid costs, I would use it. It's better to be safe than sorry. Maybe not EOD on that cycle, but def. have some for the end of cycle. Oh ya , he's using winny too. Just my opinion, but I will never do another cyle without clomid. The one time that I didn't use it sucked! Pitbull IP: Logged |
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Kane1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 55) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:57 PM
Cowbell sorry about the name thing. I would E-mail you, but I don't know where to get your E-mail address. IP: Logged |
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aahepp Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 83) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:58 PM
its the second button next to the posted time. looks like mail moving IP: Logged |
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Kane1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 55) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:58 PM
Pitbull thanks for checking out my cylce. I'll try to get clomid. IP: Logged |
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Kane1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 55) |
posted June 18, 2000 12:00 AM
Thanks for the E-mail tip. IP: Logged |
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ThePitbull Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 221) |
posted June 18, 2000 12:07 AM
Kane1, Check out Conan's site, you might be interested. Pitbull IP: Logged |
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cowbell Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 301) |
posted June 18, 2000 12:11 AM
you got mail bro!! IP: Logged |
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efigy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 200) |
posted June 18, 2000 12:29 AM
yo aahepp, no disrespect bro but your wrong! they prescribe deca in australia for male contraception because it DOES shut down natural test production. ------------------ "conan, what is best in life?" IP: Logged |
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Eramthgin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 198) |
posted June 18, 2000 01:21 AM
Listen to the pros do the clomid. ------------------ If you enjoy it today you can always do it again tomorrow. IP: Logged |
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HugeMofo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 14) |
posted June 18, 2000 06:43 AM
Not all the pros 'do' clomid! Black and white statements will always come back to haunt you. I personally think clomid is something sellers will push on you as 'better safe than sorry' to make more $$$. Use something AFTER the cycle if you're having trouble! If your sack is having trouble at the end, then you might need a hotter woman instead! IP: Logged |
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aahepp Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 83) |
posted June 18, 2000 08:35 AM
well efigy, looks like it is time for another test then. Maybe what they have there is mixed with other things. They give it to people in the US for joint disorders, what it was intended for. Also wha are you considering "pros"? The one that say pro. Hate to tell you something but some of the pros here are not pros at all. They are just repeating info that they have heard elsewhere. I'm not saying all here, but I have seen some bad information go around. IP: Logged |
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ThePitbull Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 221) |
posted June 18, 2000 10:07 AM
I guess I have to reply again now. Hugemofo, if you are refering to my comment about " better safe than sorry", you should not insinuate that someone is a source on the board. I will tell you right now, I don't sell shit! (But if I misunderstood your comment, I appologize.) I give info. based on my personal experiences, what I've learned from other bro's, what I've read, and my personal opinion. And mine & a lot of others here, is to take clomid. That's what this board is designed for, you can either take it or leave it. Pitbull IP: Logged |
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cowbell Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 301) |
posted June 18, 2000 10:38 AM
I ageree with pitbull, take it or leave it, its up to you but I will go by my own experiance and take it, also bigmofo I am not a pusher or saler either so do not go around thinking that we all sale because of what we say!!!!  IP: Logged |
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matr1x Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 60) |
posted June 18, 2000 11:54 AM
Sums it all up in the product description - ANTI ESTROGEN IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2931) |
posted June 18, 2000 03:58 PM
You only need the clomid at the end, but you do need it. I would make sure I found some ASAP. E-mail me if you have any other questions. ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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lexicon Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 236) |
posted June 18, 2000 07:40 PM
As for natural Test production coming back naturally, Don't count on it. It will most likely come back over time but it may take a year or more and may not be what it once was. By all means have a plan to either keep levels as high as possible or to jump start test production right away. If you let it slide too long you will be sorry! IP: Logged |
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giantset Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 192) |
posted June 18, 2000 10:29 PM
Deca will definately shut down your nuts. I started a cycle with deca and only did two weeks and then had to quit due to finals and my senior thesis. My nuts shrank 25-35% in the following month because I didn't think that I needed clomid after so little deca. So use the clomid. It has been a month and a half now and my nuts still are not back to normal. giantset IP: Logged |
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