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I've been thinking about this for a while and wanted to hear what some of the Bros had to say about it.What do you think of steroids getting you high? Everyone claims to have better sex, feel better, etc when on juice.
What do you guys think of these "side effects"? I mean, I'm sure BBs would use them if they made you feel like shit too and these are just side effects as far as bodybuilding is concerned but isn't it nice to have crazy sex and feel like your 10ft tall and bulletproof?
Doesn't it help your workouts, being on these drugs (not just building muscle, but how they affect your mind?) as well as your personal life?
I started thinking about this after hearing some people say things like "I don't
do drugs, just roids" or something along those lines. True, the PRIMARY reason BBs take these compounds is well, to build thier bodies. But don't you like the other things that come with having a gram of test running through your veins? And isn't that aspect "recreation" in so far as it does something in addition to adding muscle?
I just wanted to hear some opinions on this, I started this thread to get people
thinking, not to make any points or imply anything about drug use recreational or otherwise.

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deadlifter
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(Total posts: 76) posted June 17, 2000 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deadlifter     Edit/Delete Message
no, I don't think they're recreational. I see where you're coming from, but really, you're only talking about half of the sides. And, like you said, even if sides like sust. sometimes can give, we still shoot the stuff. Yeah, I'll admit the psychological aspect of having some juice run through you is nice, but that's not the reason why I take them. Thus, I don't consider them recreational. I'm not using them to get "high". If I just wanted some of the sides you mentioned, I would go get some coke and snort that, and then get some viagra or whatever. So, while I see where you're coming from, I have to disagree with the rec. drug label.

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Blood4Blood
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(Total posts: 56) posted June 17, 2000 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blood4Blood     Edit/Delete Message
That's cool.

I want to say I am not calling steroids recreational though. I have chosen language that leaves little wriggle room I admit but I'm just trying to control the responses, not forward views of my own. If I sound like I am trying to put juice in the recreation jar, I'm sorry, that's not my intent.

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big_guy1
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(Total posts: 988) posted June 17, 2000 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for big_guy1   Click Here to Email big_guy1     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 5126477
I agree with feeling great while on roids..the whole 10 ft talla nd bulletproof..but hey are not recreational drug in my mind.....I mean you don't say pop a shot of sus and go out to have a good night like someone would smoke a joint and go out and have a good time..ya get what I am saying...oh well...my opinion...

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NoviceJuicer
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(Total posts: 184) posted June 17, 2000 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoviceJuicer     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting post. I do not think roids are recreational. Roids do tend to increase self confidence, but I think most people are low on self confidence so perhaps they just bring ones perception up to the truth. people can accomplish amazing things (rags to riches, handicapped people that have literally become Olympic athletes, come from behind victories, etc).

Recreational drugs tend to alter our perceptions signifcantly - AS do not alter your driving, make you see things that aren't there and otherwise hallucinate, etc. There is some opinion however that AS make people angry and aggressive, but I think that roids always make you bigger - and if you were a a**hole before taking AS you will be a bigger a**hole after taking AS.

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Eramthgin
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(Total posts: 198) posted June 17, 2000 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eramthgin   Click Here to Email Eramthgin     Edit/Delete Message
Its true I feel a hell of a lot better.

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c-dizzo
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(Total posts: 35) posted June 17, 2000 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for c-dizzo   Click Here to Email c-dizzo     Edit/Delete Message
steroids are a mind game, you have to be pretty stable and know what is going on. taking steroids is a SCIENCE, its not like smoking or snorting, they can be highly addictive, thats why I take it only every two to three weeks, so your not relying on the drug, say if you shoot it 3 times a week, compared high doses at 3 times every two months, or month and a half. No they arent recreational, they are a daily thing, a weekly thing, thats why getting on 10 week runs are not good, when it comes time to get off you say no i got to stay on. They are highly addictive.

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WILDTHINGURI
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(Total posts: 289) posted June 17, 2000 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WILDTHINGURI   Click Here to Email WILDTHINGURI     Edit/Delete Message
I LOVE THEM.. ILL NEVER GET OF THEM..

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Monster
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(Total posts: 124) posted June 17, 2000 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Monster   Click Here to Email Monster     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35077339
First off, steroids are NOT addictive. You may feel addicted to them, but that is a psychological addiction, and is more of a personal problem. But to make a psuedo-science out of only injecting such and such number of times a week is silly. It is also negligent in the fact that doing those types of things that have no scientific fact behind them is a haphazard and potentialy dangerous way to operate.
What next? "Im not gonna taper off, Im just quitting cold because if I take more I'll get addicted!"???
No offense to you or anyone personally, but the way you are using steroids is in a recreational fashion. They should be used by a person who is well informed as to the proper and SAFE way to administer and schedule the use of these substances.
People who arent informed, or who do things in a negligent way are part of the reason that steroids became illegal. The same thing happened to GHB. You used to be able to buy it at GNC, then some idiots started using it in an inappropriate way (as a "party" drug) and the government felt they had to control it.
But really, this is NOT a rant against anyone, so I dont want to make anyone feel singled out. Its a rant against the unintelligant use of steroids. When I cycle, I use 1500mg +, and have never suffered adverse reactions. No gyno, no "roid rage", no medical problems, not even severe acne (not any more than I ever got on smaller doses).
It all goes back to the proper use of the substance...

So obviously, no, I dont consider them recreational

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c-dizzo
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(Total posts: 35) posted June 17, 2000 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for c-dizzo   Click Here to Email c-dizzo     Edit/Delete Message
so monster your saying if you take winstrol you dont take it 3 times a week, or what if your running 5 different drugs at once, you arent going to take it more than once a week, cmon, everybody is different, Im not using recreational either I just dont take it twice a week or once a week for 10 weeks, I space it out, due to my source issues, its not about a 6 week run that you put on 30 lbs, its a year round thing.

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renagade
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(Total posts: 81) posted June 17, 2000 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for renagade   Click Here to Email renagade     Edit/Delete Message
Roids are not recreational they're self improvement. Never really knew a addict on pot or meth that looked better a year later than he does right now most of the time they look worst.

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Monster
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(Total posts: 124) posted June 17, 2000 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Monster   Click Here to Email Monster     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35077339
c-dizzo: no, thats not what Im saying. Im saying that its a matter of views. If you take it every month and feel that its working for you, then you ARE relying on it just like a person taking it 3 times a week. I was mostly disputing the idea that they are addictive and that there was some kind of way to take them to not get addictive. I just get sensative about misinformation being given out.
Obviously supply issues alter things, and of course there are different ways to take them (differnt safe ways, of course).
Some drugs need daily injections due to half life and deesterization, and some need weekly or whatever.
I never said anything about not taking winstrol 3 times a week, I thought thats what YOU were saying?
Really, I was just kind of bugging about the whole "addictive" thing... anyone who is using gear in a smart way is OK with me!
The person may not be using it in a way that gives them optimal gains, but as long as they arent using it in a way that is dangerous... to each his (or her) own.

No hard feelings, I hope

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pizza man
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(Total posts: 153) posted June 17, 2000 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pizza man   Click Here to Email pizza man     Edit/Delete Message
Very good post, Very good reply monster. I for one hate to say its addictive,BUT, i know when i,m off and i look at the scale and i lost a few pds or look in the mirror after being off a few weeks and shoulders look a bit smaller i kind of crave another cycle, maybe the addiction is in my mind ????

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pizza man
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(Total posts: 153) posted June 17, 2000 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pizza man   Click Here to Email pizza man     Edit/Delete Message
bump

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Monster
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(Total posts: 124) posted June 17, 2000 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Monster   Click Here to Email Monster     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 35077339
Its in your mind, but it is very real. My point is that its not physically addictive, we've all felt that craving, though

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Maverik
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(Total posts: 43) posted June 17, 2000 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverik   Click Here to Email Maverik     Edit/Delete Message
STEROIDS ARE THE GREATEST DRUGS EVER MADE. WHAT OTHER DRUGS DO YOU KNOW OF THAT ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING GOOD OTHER THAN GET YOU HIGH??

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Maverik
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(Total posts: 43) posted June 17, 2000 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maverik   Click Here to Email Maverik     Edit/Delete Message
Although I am never against getting high. heh,heh,heh...

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gearface
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(Total posts: 169) posted June 18, 2000 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gearface   Click Here to Email gearface     Edit/Delete Message
bump that

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MS
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(Total posts: 293) posted June 18, 2000 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
Seems to me there's 2 different threads running here. The original question 'is steroid use recreational', and the other question a lot of you are answering which is 'are A/S addictive or harmful'.

Steroids, as used by bodybuilders, are clearly recreational. I'm using the medical meaning of recreational. That means that you're not taking them because of an auto-immune disorder, chronically low natural T levels, wasting syndromes or any other of the legit medical reasons for using A/S. You're taking them for fun. It's fun to get bigger with less effort and stay leaner while getting there. And yes it boosts your confidence, but so does cocaine, alcohol and many other recreational druges. Boost of confidence is probably the number one reason for most peoples use of recreational drugs. This does not make them 'bad', harmful or addictive. But don't kid yourself that you NEED them to be a happy, healthy, well rounded person!

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