posted June 16, 2000 09:18 PM            

Week Sust Deca winny Primo
1 750 200 ---- ----
2 250 400 ---- ----
3 750 500 ---- ----
4 250 500 ---- ----
5 500 400 ---- ----
6 250 300 300 200
7 250 200 250 300
8 --- --- 200 400
9 --- --- 150 300
10 --- --- 150 200
11 --- --- --- 100
(BTW, this cycle was designed for me by elitefitness)

I will be using weeks 1 to 7 for bulking and the last 4 or 5 for cutting. I also have some HCG which I will take in weeks 5 and 6 (2500 I.U. per week). I am also going to take clomid at the end of the cycle and EOD as well as some clen and t3 for cutting up in the last 4 to 5 weeks.

Now like I said I have been watching the board for a while so I already know that everyone is going to tell me to start out high with the sust and go down. The reason that I have the sust this way is because this is how elitefitness recommended it to me through my consultation with them. I also found another web site that said this is the safest way to do it and also gives a good taper because of the overlapping esters. I also wanted to know if anyone could tell me which is a better winny brand: Stanosus 50 or Stanazolic????
Please tell me what you think of my cycle.
(Oh and I will have Nolvadex on hand as well.)

posted June 17, 2000 02:09 AM            

In my opinion, for your weight, those numbers look okay. I would consider it just on the "high side" of conservative, but others have different opinions.

I've never done HCG, though I have plenty of access to it. Reason: I read this board and decided to stay with Clomid throughout my cycle and afterwards. But it's good you're going to use Clomid and have Nolvadex at hand.

Can't say which brand of Winny is better.

If you're not a big eater by nature, then you're going to need to really force yourself to pack in the calories and protein. That was my biggest mistake. That is, about halfway through my cycle I stopped taking "mass quantities," so to speak.

I'm sure you'll have all the important supplements on hand, too. Good luck, and enjoy it.

Dexter

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Strength and Honor.

posted June 17, 2000 02:43 AM            

welcome aboard first....

I kindal ike the cycle...I don't like the stagering the sus dosage, but I get why..I would rather see a straight cycle, like 750 for a couple week, then 500 for the bulk of it, then one or two at 250....deca..I don't see the point to taper it up...winny looks pretty good, the primo, again don't taper it up, you need about 300-400 mg or primo to really be worth it though, so keep teh dosages around that...clomid is a must...I don't like HCG, but have never used it....

I also agree this might be a little too much for a first cycle, you should keep it more simple, test/d-bol is good...

posted June 17, 2000 10:21 AM            

I would run the sus at 750mg's for a couple of weeks....and start the deca high as well....say around 400mg's per week.

Then drop the sus to 500mg's per week for a few weeks to keep the levels high in your system...and begin to drop the dosage of deca....to around 300mg's a week...for a few.

Last week or two....sus at 250mg's per week....deca at 200mg's a week...I'd stop the deca a week sooner than the sus...may help if you get the dreaded " Deca Dick".

I like the winny....but, my opinion...I'd save the primo for another cycle....or swap the two for this one....If you really want to start this cycle off right...add dbol for the first 4 or 5 weeks to get things really going....This is my opinion, only you know your body best....and as far as the 20lbs. Well, alot will depend on diet, training intensity, and rest....everything must click Bro!! Most are disappointed with their first cycle because they don't eat or train right...or they scream scammer or fake...don't become a casuality....become a minority....become an Iron Brother with your first cycle...2Thick will offer his insight on this, our opinions will differ I'm sure, but only you can decide in the end...it's your bod Bro!!

posted June 17, 2000 12:38 PM            

It is weird that there are so many varying answers to how you should do your first cycle. Some say hit it hard because your first cycle is always your best and some say to take it slow and look both ways, so to speak. I have had slow progress since the beginning and while my good friends are getting stronger and stronger, I am always lagging behind. And yes, I do look at and try to modify my diet, training, and sleep but that seems to make minimal difference. I will be eating a pretty good diet on this cycle and I have never had a problem with packing away the groceries, if you know what I mean.

The reason that I was going to go ahead and hit my first cycle hard was because I am not some of you who want to be freakin huge, although I do admire those fo you that are always pushing things further. My plan is to try and get really good results with this cycle and then Just do like maybe one 10-week cycle per year for maintenance and to push a little further.

For some of you that said that this is too much for a first timer, could you please give me some reasons why you say this. I do know guite a bit about every on of the drogs that I will be taking and I am intelligent enough to know that I could carry this cycle out exactly as planned.

posted June 17, 2000 11:18 PM            

Week--Sust--Deca--D-bol---Primo---Winny
--1---750---400---6/day----------------
--2---750---400---6/day----------------
--3---500---400---6/day----------------
--4---500---400---6/day----------------
--5---250---400---6/day----------------
--6---250---300---6/day----------------
--7---250---300------------------------
--8-----------------------400-----75EOD
--9-----------------------300-----75EOD
-10-----------------------300-----75EOD
-11-----------------------300-----75EOD
-12-----------------------200-----50EOD

posted June 17, 2000 11:41 PM            

Also, why use nolvadex so much? I'd save it for when I have sensitive nips.