posted June 16, 2000 08:18 PM            

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GH 5/2 at 4IU, winny 50mg, arimidex 1/2 EOD. 228LBS started, 238LBS after 11 days. Bodyfat droped 4mm(22%) in one place I messure, 1mm(7%) in another, 0mm in the third place after 15 days. definatly holding water so bf is even lower. cardio at 4 days per week about 20min. I'm not pleased with the slight gyno from the GH(yes its real no its not HCG-winny could be methytest who knows these days). Thinking about adding a sust every 2 weeks. If I can up the arimidex to 1/2ED I might add sust at 500/week but I have very high bloat and fat gain from test so I'm worried about that one.

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posted June 17, 2000 03:35 AM            

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you are taking armidex and getting gyno..I though srmidex was a great anti-e like the best out there....somthing seems fishy..but congrats on the gains...

big-guy

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posted June 17, 2000 11:56 AM            

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real hgh rarely causes gyno, and definetely not within 11 days. add an androgen like testosterone. also add deca if you plan to keep the hgh doses at 4 ius a day for more than 2 months.get rid of the armidex and use clomid50mg evey oher day. most important though is to EAT A LOT!

-Pops

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posted June 17, 2000 12:32 PM            

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Real HGH does cause gyno. IGF-1 causes gyno. And if I'm not mistaken igf-1 and estrogen have some sort of interaction that causes gyno. I have had gyno flare up within 24 hr from one 100mg prop injection.

I took arimidex to stop the gyno and it is helping but differnt people will need higher doseages. Clomid is a fools choice, if you get gyno easily. It did nothing but bloast me and deposite fat on my chest and mid section and face.

Deca bloats me and gives me gyno too, so as you can imagine so does test.

My cycle is about getting cut so I dont have much to work with here, with my gyno problem. I would take test but I'm worried that my Arimidex dose is too low. Has anyone like me used 1/2EOD with test without bloat/gyno? T3 and clen could be of help but the sides I get from them makes me very misrable. And clen prevents muscle gain so I have heard.

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posted June 17, 2000 12:42 PM            

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Milk man, finally someone that knows what the hell they are talking about. I am sick and fucking tired of seeing the "use clomid 50 mg every other day" All these asshole newbies that never used it are just repeating what they here from who knows who. For me, clomid fucking sucks, it really gives u fat and shit on your chest. I use nolvadex, clomid is for two weeks post cycle only.

LP

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posted June 17, 2000 12:50 PM            

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I hear that!

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posted June 17, 2000 01:12 PM            

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I'm glad to see someone else suspecrts Clomid of water retention and possible fat gain.

I'm coming off an eight week cycle that included Clomid eod, Sus, EQ and in the end some primo.

my ankles are just now losing their water (2nd week off cycle)

never had that happen before.

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"tank tops are for medium sized guys..."

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posted June 17, 2000 02:21 PM            

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i thought it was t3 that ate up muscle. clen is slightly anabolic if im correct.

good experience info on clomid, first i have heard of it, but it makes sense.

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posted June 17, 2000 02:39 PM            

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its pretty wierd, i,v never used clomid and still at 43 years of age and after 4 huge cycles never lost more than 20 to 30 % of any of my gains.

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posted June 17, 2000 09:30 PM            

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I have never used Clomid after any cycle either. Test, non-test. What I do is just pump it up a notch and hit it harder. Granted you will feel like crap, but hey once your in there you feel nothing but good. For those that like Clomid, here a new trick. Drop a 45 on your nuts, that will get them pumping again. I guess I shouldn't have said that.

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