posted June 16, 2000 03:41 PM            

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Ok i wil be starting a 50 mg eod winny cycle along with 20 mg nolvadex a day for 2 weeks beggining 2 weeks into the cycle along with clen.. I have a case of natural bitch tits made up of nearly all soft tissue if not all.. In previous posts i have read that winny and nolv can make them barely noticeable and with clen ill be bringing down my bf level with cardio and a good diet eca on the weeks off... One of my wishes during this cycle is to make my bitch titties unoticable.. i will be filling everyone in on the progress of this cycle.. just thought it might be something that some people would be interested in hearing i will be starting in about 2 weeks right now i am ending a 400 deca 500 sus cycle..

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posted June 16, 2000 03:51 PM            

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Schniken, if its soft it might not be Gyno. I had this problem when I was younger and thought it was gyno, so I did what most guys do and hid under thick baggy clothing, etc. Then someone told me this same thing and I lost all the excess bodyfat and PRESTO, gone!!! Some guys store fat in this area more than other areas so its the last place to really tighten up but its well worth it. Let us know though, I'm interested to see how you make out.

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posted June 16, 2000 04:17 PM            

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I am doing the same thing right now. Hopefully they will be almost unnoticeable when I am done with my cycle. This is the worst part of my body!!! If it is cold, all is fine, as soon as heat or humidity is present, they look shitty. Just taking Nolvadex only worked in the beggining(maybe because of the loss of water retention)I have to lose this affliction. Is there anything I could spot inject?? I am taking eq in hopes of reducing them to nothing. Tell me if winny works. Injection or tabs?? I would have NO proble adding that in right now.

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posted June 16, 2000 04:25 PM            

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are you gunna inject the winny in yer tits?

good luck bro.

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posted June 16, 2000 04:37 PM            

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What is you bf??

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posted June 16, 2000 06:11 PM            

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I've got roughly the same thing about 80% of the time its not noticeable but when I start slacking on the diet or training it shows up until I get a good amount of blood in the muscle.I've never had my bodyfat below 10% and to look back on some teenage pictures I've always kind of had it. Good Luck and let us know how the experiment goes.

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posted June 16, 2000 07:05 PM            

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Yoda just curious.. when you had it were your nipples big and puffy cuz mine are butg if i push them back its soft all the way to the muscle so i dont think there is any glandular tissue in them if there was i would be able to tell no?

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posted June 16, 2000 07:08 PM         

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schniken I have exactly what your talking about, my nipple is soft and slightly puffy, im looking to get rid of it, if possible.

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posted June 17, 2000 12:34 AM            

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Schniken, same exact thing your descibing. Even the thing about it looking alright when its cold. Puffy nipples and nothing behind them when you pushed on them. GONE!!! Its the greatest felling in the world. I swear if I could come up with a pill that cures gyno I'd be the richest S.O.B. in the Iron Kingdom. Looks like everyone is getting it. But the good news is it doesn't sound like its what you got. I cant be sure but it sounds exactly like what I went through. Just remember it may take you losing alot of body fat to get rid of it. Its probably going to be the most stubborn fat deposits you have on your body. But when dieting remember "Nothing tastes as good as looking good feels".

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posted June 17, 2000 01:34 AM            

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Have any of you actually tried spot injections on winny?? I am willing to try anything to get rid of these!!!

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posted June 17, 2000 01:40 AM            

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I have actually tried spot injections of winny in my chest and it did nothing more then injecting it anywhere else if you want to try i did it like this..

Go about 1 inch above the nipple and one inch away from the arm and inject there at about a 45 degree angle.. make sure you hit the muscle though..

BUT as i said it didnt work for me so its probably not even worth trying..

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posted June 17, 2000 01:56 AM            

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It sounds like you have the same problem. I posted about this many times. No one seems to really have a real answer!!!?? The Nolvadex only seems to work for about three days. My nipples have not hardness behind them either. Just puffy. The d-bol is making them look a little worse then before. it is definately not gyno. I was worried so I started taking Nolvadex again and it did nothing. Have you tried arimidex. None of my sources have any! I think Glenbeton went to his doc to try to get surgery under insurance. and was rejected. The doc said it wasn't gyno. Is there some kind of injection that will spot reduce fat deposits. how about GH??? Is this too extreme?? I was looking foward to wifebeater weather and now I am not!!! They look like shit. I think the only surgical procedure may be some sort of lipo suction. Any ideas??

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posted June 17, 2000 11:06 AM         

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I have tried spot injecting HGH elsewhere hoping for some lipolysis of certain areas...but no such luck. But I am using medical replacement levels (1.5 IU day) and not IFBB levels (4-10 IUS day). It would be hard to think aobut injecting 8 IUs a day into a nip.....yeeeeeeouch.

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posted June 17, 2000 12:03 PM         

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I want to just clarify a point..... nobody has developed gyno from winny,,,right?

I have read WAR and looked through the archives and it seems that since it is a DHT derivitive it does not aromatize, but I like many people find real life is not like it is in the test books sometimes.

So again, has anyone developed gyno from Winny in real life? What about hair loss?

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posted June 17, 2000 12:34 PM            

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bros, its great to see this topic. I have the same affliction. Was planning to start a sust500, deca400, dbol, maybe winny, clomid, clen, eca cycle posted a while back. How much clen should I take? (wasn't specified) and if anybody has a suggestion about the soft breast tissue issue. I was sure I was predisposed to gyno. Daily nolva?

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posted June 17, 2000 02:19 PM         

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BTW when doing a breast exam don't press straight in on the nipples. The tissue is so soft any growths will be missed as they just get compressed into all the flesh. To find growths in the nips squeeze from the sides. This is a mistake women frequently make in monthly breast exams that often causes them to miss early tumors. The rest of a womans breast can be pressed straight in to find growths, but for the nip you have to squeeze from the side.

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posted June 17, 2000 10:10 PM            

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dude you got to bring your bodyfat down to know for sure if you really got gyno. im doing a fina cycle and my fat is way down and pecs are hard, its just right underneth each nipple is a tumor like growth. their is no doubt im gonna need to get these fuckers taken out. i think im just gonna wait till summers over then go in for surgery. the thing im worried about with the surgery is the scarring. imagin if you layed out in the sun with fresh scars you would be fucked.

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posted June 17, 2000 11:46 PM            

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Well I can almost tell you it is not gyno. If your nips come to a point and the tisue behind them is soft to the muscle...guess what you just got fat tits. I had them also. You need to work the mess out of your chest and lose some fat. Most people when the are heavy set get them. It is not gyno (well sorta) but its not the one from estrogen. It is fatty tissue that gets built up there. They look funny when just sitting here. But go work out and watch they will firm up some and almost be gone. But once the pump wheres off they are back again. If that is the case then you got the fat man tits. Do good chest routines and get your body fat down and they will go away.

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posted June 19, 2000 01:17 AM            

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Thats great news to hear thats exactly what i have.. hopefully when i begin my cutting cycle and drop some bf they will lesson or go away

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posted June 19, 2000 01:17 AM            

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Thats great news to hear thats exactly what i have.. hopefully when i begin my cutting cycle and drop some bf they will lesson or go away

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posted June 19, 2000 01:57 AM            

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I see what happens when the EQ kicks in. Should i start doing cardio again?? I was down really low in BF and still had these nipples!!??? I hope my chest gets rock hard from the EQ and it becomes unnoticeable!!!

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posted June 19, 2000 07:39 AM            

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Dahmer, have you thought about spot injecting pgf2a? this is supposed to give the muscle incredible growth and pump while KILIING the fat cells. I had posted this quesiton recently seeing if anyone has tried it. I am thinking about it if I can get my hands on some. Out.

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posted June 19, 2000 03:43 PM            

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nobody gets gyno from Winnie.
you could try PGF2a, I did it in too small amounts for results, but I will do it again on a serious base. Shooting in the fat well l don't know, did nothing for me. Best is to shoot in the muscle. But you will have to experiment yourself, for what is best for you.

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posted June 19, 2000 05:40 PM            

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What kind of bodyfat % are you guys talking about to make this shit disappear. I'm currently right around 8% give or take and I still have this shit. I also have a deciend amount of fat on the outside of my pecks that cover my surreatus (sp). Do I gotta go to 6, 5 , 4 , what??

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posted June 19, 2000 07:39 PM            

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Well at 8% Bf you should not see a bit of fat on you 4% is considered unhealthy and 30% is considered obese (fat) Spelling was not my strong point. At 18% BF. I'm not fat I'm big boned. I got a little bit of the fat man titties. Also how was your BF calculated. Mine was the nice voltage thru your system thing. That is the best way to find out. The calipers really don't give you very good results but some live by it. If you are at 8% go get your glads checked in your tits there. You might have something else there that you really don't want.

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posted June 19, 2000 10:27 PM            

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I had to get mine down to 5%!!! It was the last place (figures) on the body that the fat stayed. It was genetic predisposition I guess, everybody has it to some extent. Women usually have it on the thighs or the tricep area, some men have it on the chest, especially I noticed with men of mediteranen (spelling) decent. Other guys have it on the lower back, its just different on each person.

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posted June 19, 2000 10:36 PM            

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That's what I thought. I'm lean, but I'm not ripped. Sounds like it's just some stubborn body fat. Time to chistle some more of this yellow shit away.

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posted June 20, 2000 02:11 AM            

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great post going here guys. this is some info i really needed. i was pretty convinced i had gyno, but from what you guys are saying i guess its just the fat puffy nipple syndrome. fucking sucks. doesn't matter how big your guns are, you can't wear a tight shirt with shitty looking nips.

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