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irishblood Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 84) |
posted June 16, 2000 01:25 AM
 
alot of people have been asking this question lately,including myself. if this post doesnt clear shit up on drinking winny than i dont know what will! I AM CONVINCED and i will be drinking the shit and saving my ass some holes..hope the "men" of the board dont flame me but this had to be done! IP: Logged |
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irishblood Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 84) |
posted June 16, 2000 01:34 AM
i thought i could post a reply but i couldnt. so go to SEARCH and type "winstrol orally" in the search box. then go to page 2 of the search and click on topic "i will finally drink winny" posted by PRIMO57..after this post i am truly convinced..Macro you are the man!!!thanks for all that insight!!!!!-irishblood IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2931) |
posted June 16, 2000 01:38 AM
I am interested in seeing the results, but I am still against drinking Winny. There is no research that examines what effect liquid winny has on the lining of your stomach or any other part of your digestive system. Just inject and enjoy it. ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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irishblood Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 84) |
posted June 16, 2000 01:45 AM
2 THICK - i refuse to put an additional 40 holes in my ass when im already doing 300mg primobolan/week! did you read those threads? IP: Logged |
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big_guy1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 992) |
posted June 16, 2000 01:46 AM
winny is a 17-aa roid, a roids chemically make up and compostion doesn't change whenit is oral versus injectable...winny was designed to be used orally... big-guy IP: Logged |
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irishblood Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 84) |
posted June 16, 2000 02:42 AM
bump for the morning peeps IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2931) |
posted June 16, 2000 09:23 AM
The logic is very simple. The fluid made for injections does not take the necessary precautions for your digestive system that a pill does. Do what you want. It's your body. ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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Fish Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 337) |
posted June 16, 2000 09:28 AM
I know little about winny, but drugs in general lose 45% when taken oral. This is a fact taugh in Rehab. I don't see how that could be better than the 5% loss of injection. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MiracleMan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 111) |
posted June 16, 2000 11:13 AM
Winnie V is ment to be injected. Flat Out. If you want to take it orally, take the tablets, thats why they are there. IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 169) |
posted June 16, 2000 01:55 PM
"There is no research that examines what effect liquid winny has on the lining of your stomach or any other part of your digestive system." Why should they do research on water and alcohol? There is no reason to think that the vehicle used in Winny would be dangerous. "I know little about winny, but drugs in general lose 45% when taken oral. This is a fact taugh in Rehab. I don't see how that could be better than the 5% loss of injection." This is not true, there are many drugs that are nearly completely absorbed. T-3 is nearly 95% absorbed. Drug absorption is so variable that to make a generalized figure is ridiculous. IP: Logged |
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Anabolicum Mister Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 288) |
posted June 16, 2000 08:30 PM
I have asked this question a number of times but it has never been answered to my satisfaction: If winstrol is just as effective if taken orally, then why do the make an injectable version? Now alot of people will say that it is because it is made for animals and it is easier to give them shots. I agree. But Zambon's depot is intended for human use by intramuscular injection. Personally, I'm enjoying shooting it right now, but have drank it in the past. IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 169) |
posted June 17, 2000 02:01 PM
"I have asked this question a number of times but it has never been answered to my satisfaction: If winstrol is just as effective if taken orally, then why do the make an injectable version?" Let's ask this same question, but use Methandrostenolone as the drug. There is Dianabol, Reforvit, and other oral forms, but they also make injectable forms like Metandionone, which is a vet version. The answer is simple, the companies make various versions for various situations. The veterinary use often utilizes the injectable versions, even Yohimbine is injectable in vet use. IP: Logged |
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NoviceJuicer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 186) |
posted June 17, 2000 02:24 PM
Lets imagine someone has a powder or winstrol. Theoretically it could be mde into both a suspension for injecting or taken orally. WOuld the powder be clean enough as is to take orally? IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 536) |
posted June 17, 2000 02:30 PM
Anabalicum Mist. I have read the reason they make it injectible even though it can be absorbed orally was because it is very hard to get an animal to swallow any kind of medecine, I dont know about cows and bulls and shit, but my dog will eat everything on his plate but the damn pill. Slopain IP: Logged |
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Anabolicum Mister Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 288) |
posted June 17, 2000 02:51 PM
Slopain, I agree with you in the case of winstrol V, eq, or other vet steroids. But what about the case of Zambon's winstrol depot? It is not intended for animals. IP: Logged |
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die_hard842 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 444) |
posted June 17, 2000 02:52 PM
Well first you do not have to put a extra 40 holes in your ass that is why we have quadz hit yourself in all areas, drinking Winny that is cleary ment to be a DEEP I.M. INJECTION IS FUCKING CRAZY AND A WASTE OF MONEY IF IT COULD BE TAKEN ORALLY THEN YOU COULD INJECT WITH THE SAME RESULTS S.Q. AND THAT WILL NOT WORK EVEN IF YOU ARE USING THE MICRO-FINED AUSSIE GEAR IN A 25 GAUGE PIN. IF YOU WANT ORAL DUE ORAL IF YOU WANT INJECT THEN DO INJECTABLE THERE IS A REASON FOR THE PRODUCT TO BE PRODUCED FOR I.M. INJECTION THIS IS COMMON SENSE I THOUGHT THIS OLD ISSUE DIED A LONG TIME AGO. DO YOU KNOW WHY THE HIGHEST DOSE ORAL WINNY TAB IS ONLY 5MG'S BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SUSPENED MORE THEN THAT IN A ORAL FORM WITHOUT OVER SATERATION OF THE DRUG THIS IS WHY THE 50MG MUST BE INJECTED IT INABLES THE BODY TO ABSORB MUCH HIGHER DOSE WITHOUT THE DOWNGRADE OF THE PRODUCT IN YOU DIGESTIVE SYSTEM (THIS IS COMMON SENSE YOU ARE GOING TO BE VERY UNHAPPY WHEN YOU PAYCHECK IS LOW AND YOU WEIGHT IS EVEN LOWER. One more thing I seen a fellow post that the only reason they make injectable winny is because it is hard to have the animal to take orally I have worked with dozens of race horses over the years and no that is not the reason I have used both injectable Clen and a powdered form that i place right in the food, I could take a 5 to 10ml Dart take off the pin and shove as much winny in my horses mouth in less time it would take me to inject him this is a fact, and if that is the case why do you suppose they make Zambon winny 50mg amps and orals this is for humans. once again common sense. do not lose your hard earned money to the toilet [This message has been edited by die_hard842 (edited June 17, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2931) |
posted June 17, 2000 03:07 PM
That is a good argument, die_hard842. ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 536) |
posted June 17, 2000 04:08 PM
The only argument I agree with against drinkng winny at this time is, 2Thicks questioning of what it does to the digestive system/stomach lining. I know it works b/c I have done it and am currently doing it...throwing my money down the toilet? Nah not even close. Maybe I am absorbing a LITTLE LESS amount of the winny, but I see the effects it is having on me drinking and I like it. Slopain IP: Logged |
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Eramthgin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 198) |
posted June 17, 2000 06:07 PM
Come on load it up in an insulin dart and put it anywhere but your ass. Biceps, forearms, quads anywhere but the stomach. ------------------ If you enjoy it today you can always do it again tomorrow. IP: Logged |
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rippazoid Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 92) |
posted June 17, 2000 07:51 PM
If it was made to taken orally they would have put the shit in a 12Oz can! IP: Logged |
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Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 761) |
posted June 17, 2000 08:37 PM
i get the same effects from drinking it as from injecting it...i drink it and i also drink ref-b...why inject when i get the same effects by drinking it??????? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 169) |
posted June 18, 2000 02:17 PM
"Well first you do not have to put a extra 40 holes in your ass that is why we have quadz hit yourself in all areas, drinking Winny that is cleary ment to be a DEEP I.M. INJECTION IS FUCKING CRAZY AND A WASTE OF MONEY IF IT COULD BE TAKEN ORALLY THEN YOU COULD INJECT WITH THE SAME RESULTS S.Q. AND THAT WILL NOT WORK EVEN IF YOU ARE USING THE MICRO-FINED AUSSIE GEAR IN A 25 GAUGE PIN. IF YOU WANT ORAL DUE ORAL IF YOU WANT INJECT THEN DO INJECTABLE THERE IS A REASON FOR THE PRODUCT TO BE PRODUCED FOR I.M. INJECTION THIS IS COMMON SENSE I THOUGHT THIS OLD ISSUE DIED A LONG TIME AGO. DO YOU KNOW WHY THE HIGHEST DOSE ORAL WINNY TAB IS ONLY 5MG'S BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SUSPENED MORE THEN THAT IN A ORAL FORM WITHOUT OVER SATERATION OF THE DRUG THIS IS WHY THE 50MG MUST BE INJECTED IT INABLES THE BODY TO ABSORB MUCH HIGHER DOSE WITHOUT THE DOWNGRADE OF THE PRODUCT IN YOU DIGESTIVE SYSTEM (THIS IS COMMON SENSE YOU ARE GOING TO BE VERY UNHAPPY WHEN YOU PAYCHECK IS LOW AND YOU WEIGHT IS EVEN LOWER." First DIE-HARD, tell me why stanazolol, which is 17-alpha alkylated, would not work orally? And it is not the vehicle used in Winstrol V, since it is nothing more than water and preservatives. Next, your idea that Winnie tabs are only 5mg, because they can't "suspend" more than this is crazy. A pill is not a suspension, why can't they compress a solid into a pill shape at a higher dose? Hell, if you wanted there is no amount too high to make. It would only be limited to the size that one could swallow. The reason is that a clinical effect can be seen at this dose, due to Winstrol's high AR affinity. The pharmaceutical companies were not thinking about recreational use. The digestive process does not affect steroids to any degree, so that argument is invalid. As for the reference to Zambon's injectable stanazolol, it is ,again, probably due to clinical use. There are many drugs that have an oral and injectable version: yohimbine, valium, PRIMOBOLAN, etc. This does not change the pharmacology of the drugs. IP: Logged |
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RAGING BULL Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted June 18, 2000 02:44 PM
For anyone that cares--I put my lifelong steroid-free neighbor on a 12 diet/excercise program that was supplemented with 50mg of Stanozolol taken orally every day. He started out at 5'10", 244lbs at 35% bf. 12 weeks later, he weighed 208lbs at 12.5% bf, with much improved muscle shape and density. His strength was at an all time high. His liver values were slightly elevated after the cycle, but showed improvements in resting hr, bp, and chol. levels. He did not stray from the program once in the 12 weeks he was on. The one thing that we both kept saying to each other is how much of a positive affect the Stanozolol had on his body composition, training intensity, pumps, and mood. In closing, I can say antecdotally(sp?) that oral "winny" worked very well indeed for our purposes. Just ask my neighbor if you don't beleive me! Sorry I ranted so long to try to enlighten a few iron bros that, well, really should know better. Come on guys, it is 17-aa for christ's sake, that should be the end of discussion. It truly amazes me that some of my bros post how proud they are to jab,jab,jab away, and anyone who doesn't is less of a man. These types must never want to bring their efforts to the competion stage, because you can't hide nasty,UNECCESSARY scar tissue in posing trunks--trust me! LOL ------------------ IP: Logged |
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goleafs Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 182) |
posted June 18, 2000 02:48 PM
i drink it and it works , bottom line. great rush too. IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 224) |
posted June 18, 2000 04:33 PM
Sure it works drinking it, but it passes the liver twice, drinking it, right ? You can use an insulin needle. Besides sometimes I must give my dog 10 cc of medication (no roids) and just stick it in his mouth and shoot it right in. So with horses it would be the same (as DIE_HARD said.) Jeff ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 296) |
posted June 18, 2000 06:09 PM
Ahhhh. Somes posts never die. The injectable winny is the same as the oral. They are both EXTREMELY well absorbed from the gut. The majority of injetced OR oral winny will pass through the liver MANY times before it is degraded/excreted. BUT there is a big difference in the 'pharmokinetics' between any injected versus oral drug. In the case of winny the difference is a 9 hour half-life when taken orally, versus around 24 hour terminal half-life when injected. Also the entire oral dose is instantly available (say 50mg) and floating around soon after ingestion. The injection slowly leaches out of the IM site over time, meaning the 50mg is not all floating around from the moment you inject it. I'll repost this table until everyone understands the difference. 50 mg injected EOD: Day 1 50mg IM 50mg taken orally EOD Hour 1 50mg Taken orally you get HUGE swings in blood levels, and lower overall available winny at any given time point. You would be MUCH better to take 5mg spread evenly over each 24 hours if you go the oral route. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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RAGING BULL Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted June 18, 2000 06:32 PM
MS I, as well as my neighbor, take 25mg in the AM, 25mg in the PM. I could take 10mg 5x/day--do you really feel that it would be to my benefit? Thanks in advance for futher clarification. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 296) |
posted June 18, 2000 08:47 PM
Hello again RAGING BULL (and neighbors). I did not mean to sound as if taking oral winny only once or twice a day would be ineffective. It will work. It's just good to realize the fluctuations it can cause in your blood levels of gear. The feeling in the medical community is that AAS are most effective and have the least side effects if you can keep them at close to optimal, steady-state levels through-out the course. This is why injectables have a safer profile than orals. The smaller and more frequent dosing of orals will get you closer to this steady state than less frequent, larger doses. Smaller doses are also easier on the liver with the 17-AA orals since you're not hitting it with the full dose in one go. So it just comes down to balancing side effects and reduced effectiveness against the hassle of remembering to take tabs 4-6 times every day. As many people have stated on this board, they still get results even taking 50mg orally once every second day. Just be aware this may not be the best way to use your winny. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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RAGING BULL Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted June 18, 2000 11:11 PM
Thanks MS. I take tons of pills all day long, so what is so hard about taking a few more. I like it when things are optimized. Again, thanks. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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